Posted on 03/25/2017 6:22:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
I’m a 100% trump supporter and will go down fighting tooth and nail as long as he fights. This was a setback, but is in no way a defeat. He will get this done!
If you remember, President Trump repeatedly said during the campaign that we were going to take care of all Americans vis a vis Health Care/Insurance. No Americans should be dying in the streets. He is correct.
My personal belief is that President Trump stood by Ryan’s crappy bill and let it twist in the wind. He gave the appearance of giving it his all despite its myriad of problems. It failed. Good. Time to move on to other things and return to Obamacare a bit later and do it right.
Remember though, Rand Paul has a bill in the Senate. While I do not know all the details, it is worth hearing it out. And maybe that was Trump’s plan all along. He and Rand get along and have talked recently. Trump had to let Ryan’s bill fail so that Paul’s bill can move forward without hinderance. SO maybe that was the plan. Who knows.
If Rahab the prostitute could be a heroine, why couldn’t the Weiner be a hero?
Well yeah I know that’s stretching it.
AMEN!
Agreed
The only toe shot off was the arrogant Paul Ryan. I don’t consider that a lose
None should die in the streets unless they really, truly, want to do that.
Ha! Ha! Good one ..
I think the Democrats were secretly BEGGING the GOP to pass Ryan’s bill.
I don’t think Trump was playing rope a dope with Ryan. I think he was talked into this as the “better way”.
I think Ryan was trying to preserve the power that Fedzilla derives from Obamacare in controlling all health care decisions and medical records.
The three step process set up a 2020 showdown that may have resulted in Trump not being re-elected, which would have delighted Ryan and his fellow Uniparty eunuchs.
Repeal the monster government over-reach that IS Obamacare!
Once THAT vampire is staked, dead, buried and beyond resurrection ... then and ONLY then should the GOP look at ANY sort of insurance reform. My personal preference is allow sales of policies across state lines and allow people to buy as little or as much medical services insurance as they want and can afford.
Anything else is government intervention in matters it has no business being involved in.
Just my two cents worth.
Well oh groan... no double entendre intended here.
Sex can imply so many things that are also commonplace in other contexts. Blame it on where sex has gone.
Yes, we dodged a bullet.
That part is all fine to the good for now.
The question what are the Freedom Caucus short and long term goals? Because they don’t seem to be leading, just reacting.
Trump's counter plan "give Ryan enough rope..."
Exactly.
A multi-phase fix might not be a bad idea as long as none of the phases are left to be utter vaporware. Something has to be there, if even a crude plan.
There will probably have to be a bug fix, ombudsman Federal department to oversee the transition out of Obamacare. In this case a necessary evil. Such departments became necessary to make ever more complex legislation work. At least this one would be identifiable and assigned a specific mission that would not be allowed to creep.
I totally agree on that. I believe that if Obamacare 2.0 did come to a vote, Democrats would vote for it. Why? So that Trump would own that terrible piece of legislation which would have doomed his presidency just as Obamacare doomed Obama’s.
Aria wrote:"That actually makes sense to me."
And one of my favorite authors, Frank Herbert once wrote:
“Knowing where the trap is—that's the first step in evading it.”
What we have just witnessed is Trump (once again) out foxing the foxes.
No one expected him to actually pack it up and move on - but he did.
In doing so he left Ryan much weaker, looking like he couldn't lead a one man parade, and with the onus of Obamacare firmly wrapped around *his* neck, instead of Trump.
Now it will either fail on its own, taking Ryan with it,
or it will fester until Trump gets a workable plan on *his* terms.
Now watch as The Donald once again does a bait and switch and nails everyone with his wiretapping proof.
~*God - I LOVE this stuff!*~
I was with Trump in wanting the bill to pass, because I believed that failing in his first major policy initiative will hurt his chances to get the rest of his agenda passed. I also recognize that Trump ran on the promise to “repeal and replace”, not just “repeal”. Obamacare resulted in millions people losing what they already had. Millions of those folks voted for Trump. And many are older with pre-existing conditions. Just dumping them without anything would violate Trump’s promise not to let that happen. I’ve also been critical of the Republicans being unwilling to move incrementally, which the Democrats are so successful doing.
Anyway, it didn’t pass, for good or ill. Trump isn’t letting it stop his agenda, and the important thing now is to move on and work on getting the rest of it passed, starting with getting Gorsuch confirmed.
I agree with Jim and hope you are correct that Ryan has been played.
Ryan was sure trying to play Trump and the American people.
The ugly ascension of shareholder driven, profit motivated insurance has destroyed the doctor patient relationship and medical care in general for the last 40 years.
Government collusion added a and it is, pray to God, imploding. A weak repeat from Trump and Republicans will doom us.
We MUST replace with a new model!
The Freedom Caucus deserves our thanks for stopping this nonsense. And yet, we have posters (that claim to favor repeal) that want Trump to “primary” the Freedom Caucus. They seem to hate the Freedom Caucus only slightly less than they do Ryan.
It’s a shame we don’t have a thinking and acting Conservative as President. We could have had Cruz.
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