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US Navy grounds T-45 training jet fleet following Fox News report
FoxNews.com ^ | 04-05-2017 | US Navy grounds T-45 training jet fleet following Fox News report

Posted on 04/06/2017 9:42:01 AM PDT by topher

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To: topher

How can you fly if you can’t breathe?

Just check the oxygen systems and fix them!!!

How is that so damn difficult???


21 posted on 04/06/2017 11:05:17 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: topher

According to the article “When a senior Navy pilot showed photos of a faulty oxygen system” What does a faulty Oxygen system look like? Doesn’t paste the sniff test. By the way all that has to be done is for the unit(s) is to request an Engineering Investigation (EI). Three incidents have been reported for CY 2017.


22 posted on 04/06/2017 11:33:18 AM PDT by Garvin (Moderate Muslims are the tall grass in which Jihadi Terrorists hide undisturbed.)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

The NATOPS (flight manual) is written in blood. There is a problem which they are having trouble determining and fixing. These guys don’t want their name attached as a footnote a a new emergency procedure.


23 posted on 04/06/2017 11:54:59 AM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: topher

Just a few words from Mrs Pence seems to have turned the tide.


24 posted on 04/06/2017 12:12:30 PM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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To: Garvin
Article says 3 incidents are not occuring per week.

The system does not detect contaminants.

25 posted on 04/06/2017 12:12:44 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I was a U.S. Army basic training battery commander during the mid-2000s. I gave the newer version of that class.

Unlawful orders are a little like porn, you know them when you see them. Some examples:

-Needlessly destroying civilian property (purposefully destroying something that has no military value to an enemy, like artwork)

-Causing unnecessary human suffering: shooting people in parachutes and/or lifeboats, destroying civilian crops or cattle to create a famine, ordering or encouraging rape, etc...

-Ordering or coercing people to debase themselves (coercing sex from a subordinate or a refugee, humiliating prisoners without a military purpose, etc...)

-Using military personnel or property for personal profit or criminal acts (ordering your official driver to take your wife shopping, directing subordinates to falsify records, etc...)

-In this case, it would be unlawful to order a pilot to fly an aircraft they, in their professional judgement, believe is not fit to fly


26 posted on 04/06/2017 12:13:45 PM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Taking up an unsafe aircraft could be considered an illegal order, not to be followed. I am a retired Army Officer, we have the duty not to obey illegal orders.


27 posted on 04/06/2017 12:14:02 PM PDT by Uncle Sam 911
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To: Garvin
See Post #16. FoxNews says that there are 3 incidents happening per week.

The article says multiple pilots have passed out. It also says there are other incidents where the pilots did not pass not but had trouble flying because of the hypoxia.

I am not sure how contaminants are getting into the oxygen system, but these are very old jets.

A few years back, F-14's started having stress fractures that I believe grounded some of the F-14's (or all) until this could be checked out.

28 posted on 04/06/2017 12:16:52 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Flick Lives
Hannity.com has an article on the accounting problem (the $500+ billion). I could not locate where I saw the trillion dollar figure.

Here is a link to the Hannity.com article on Freerepublic:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3541726/posts Dr. Ben Carson Finds Half TRILLION Dollars in Errors While Auditing Obama’s Housing Agency [HUD]

29 posted on 04/06/2017 12:20:18 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: GMMC0987

There might have been. However, this might be an ‘age’ problem. Thirty-five years in service is a long time, and maybe some of the oxygen lines might have leaks to allow contaminants in.


30 posted on 04/06/2017 12:21:54 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Flick Lives
The head of Naval Air Training (a Rear Admiral) did ground the aircraft.

I assure if a T-45 crashed with Mike Pence's son in it killing him, there would be quite the stink...

31 posted on 04/06/2017 12:23:49 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Geez, I worked on the T-45 project as an Engineering Intern back in the late 1980’s. Good the birds are still flying, but — perhaps a needed overhaul of the oxygen systems has been overlooked sometime in these past 30 years?


32 posted on 04/06/2017 12:24:45 PM PDT by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: taildragger
I cannot find where I saw the Trillion Dollar figure, but Hannity.com has an article on $500 billion in accounting errors in the Obama administration.

Here is the link and article on Freerepublic (which has a link to the Hannity.com article):

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3541726/posts Dr. Ben Carson Finds Half TRILLION Dollars in Errors While Auditing Obama’s Housing Agency

33 posted on 04/06/2017 12:27:55 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: publius911
Hannity.com has an article about $500 billion in accounting errors. Here is the Freerepublic article with the link to the Hannity.com article:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3541726/posts Dr. Ben Carson Finds Half TRILLION Dollars in Errors While Auditing Obama’s Housing Agency

34 posted on 04/06/2017 12:31:28 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: HKMk23
The water hose on your car can develop leaks. After 35 years, there probably could be leaks/problems develop with the oxygen system.

Obama enjoyed playing golf, and making a mess of our country. Trump is trying to fix his messes...

35 posted on 04/06/2017 12:33:23 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Yup. And critical systems are LEAST intended to go so long without thorough attention.


36 posted on 04/06/2017 4:06:33 PM PDT by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

This is a big puff ... if the ride ain’t ready .. fails pre-flight you get to try again when it is.

JMHO


37 posted on 04/06/2017 5:23:36 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (They used to get away with it. Not anymore.)
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