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How the hell has North Korea managed to build a massive military stockpile?
News.com.au ^ | April 19, 2017 | Charis Chang news.com.au

Posted on 04/18/2017 6:35:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

FROM the outside North Korea looks like an impoverished state cut off from the rest of the world.

But during its weekend procession, the isolated regime managed to put on an impressive display of its rockets and military strength, in defiance of growing American warnings about its military capability.

While many have the impression of North Korea being a poor country that can’t feed its own people, Leonid Petrov told news.com.au that it had large stockpiles of natural resources that it used to fund its weapons research.

“North Korea is a mountainous country that has huge natural resources including deposits of high quality coal, gold, silver, uranium, iron ore and rare earth metals,” said Dr Petrov, a visiting fellow at the Australian National University College of Asia and the Pacific.

He said North Korea had exported its minerals to allies such as China and the Soviet Union for decades until the collapse of the communist bloc.

Since then it had been more proactive in international trade, although the tightening of sanctions has seen its export ability curtailed recently.

Dr Petrov said China in particular had maintained trade in North Korea and was keen to keep a monopoly on its rare earth metal trade.

“So China buys everything North Korea is prepared to offer (of its rare earth metals),” he said.

These metals are important because they are used the production of many 21st century products like mobile phones, computers, LCD screens and cars....

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To: Jane Long
It is hard to comprehend why the US State Dept. even hired Ms. Sherman. Former SOS Kerry and Sherman and many before them, (except Condi Rice) have all been MISERABLE failures and sucker punched by the US’ enemies for the last 80 years. From Cordell Hull down to Kerry...same old sh*t.

How such educated, intelligent people can exhibit State's collective IQ of a slug is unfathomable.
Sherman failed miserably with the NORKS so she was hired again by Pres. Obama to conduct the same failed policies as demonstrated by the Clinton administration. It is no secret that the Iranians simply followed the NORK model that worked so well. Really pathetic...

61 posted on 04/19/2017 5:15:25 AM PDT by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.)
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To: Popman

It seems that the evidence of NK’s alleged condition comes from a very few sources. I really have no way to determine which of those is true and which is simply propaganda.

It just seems super odd to me... if the stories are true, why doesn’t it seem to resemble any other country in a similar condition? Mass starvation plus the resources and tech to maintain one of the world’s largest armies, build skyscrapers, advanced missiles, and nukes... this paints a very disjointed picture.

My instincts are telling me that the official story just doesn’t add up here.


62 posted on 04/19/2017 5:25:09 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: demsux

You will notice from the article that they have no earl. We have all of the earl. They can make batteries for Prius’.


63 posted on 04/19/2017 6:41:04 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: MarineBrat

I saw a photoshopped picture of that building with a statute of an angel blowing a horn on top of it.


64 posted on 04/19/2017 6:46:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: JBW1949
"They must give out a medal or award for getting out of bed two days in a row...."

Bet one of them is for wearing those giant hockey pucks on their heads. Another one may be for schlepping around in those metal laden coats.

65 posted on 04/19/2017 7:06:17 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: Redwood71
" Bill Clinton in the early 90’s shipped a number of supercomputers to North Korean so they could generate power to aide in their agricultural programs. The machines were up graded from the ability to enrich industrial capacity to weapons grade."

The genesis of that was Clinton changing the authority over duel-use technology from the State Dept. to the Commerce Dept. That policy change also allowed Hughes and Loral to give the Chi-coms state secrets regarding their second-stage rocket blowups and some mirv technology. I will never understand why Billy-boy was never charged for treason (aiding and abetting the enemy). At the very least, he should have been impeached for blatantly accepting donations from China through Riady of the Lippo Group and Huang the WH connection. This is all fact and documented.

Although China became a nuclear power sooner than if Clinton had not done that, at least they have become more reasonable over the years. I attribute that to re-acquiring Hong Kong and experiencing the benefits of capitalism. The pseudo spiritual dynasty in Korea has not learned. The Norks are much like imperial Japan when they believed their emperor was a god...and you know the result of that.

66 posted on 04/19/2017 7:35:54 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Plus LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: thoughtomator

He steals most of his money to fund his military though cyberattacks...millions...

Don’t forget Bill Clinton gave him billions of dollars...not to go nuke...


67 posted on 04/19/2017 7:43:27 AM PDT by Popman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every time an American buys something made in China part of the money goes to support NKorea. NKorea is China’s toady.


68 posted on 04/19/2017 7:50:01 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Love your neighbor as you love yourself.)
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To: JoeProBono

inflatable headgear? where’s the valve stem?


69 posted on 04/19/2017 9:23:40 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: yarddog

>caught them almost immediately.

not quite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bernhard


70 posted on 04/19/2017 9:35:41 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: RitchieAprile

Interesting. Thanks.


71 posted on 04/19/2017 9:50:50 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Unlike the administrations that preceded it, the Clinton administration accepted millions of dollars from the military and intelligence services of at least one hostile foreign power. All of this was done in exchange for illegal campaign contributions from a massive totalitarian country determined to eclipse the U.S. as a world superpower.
President Clinton also lifted security controls, allowing thieves to access other vital military technologies, while disarming his own side and opposing needed defenses.
“One of the key technological breaks China received, without having to spy to get it, was the deliverance of supercomputers once banned from export for security reasons,” writes Horowitz.
“Supercomputers underpin the technology of nuclear and missile warfare, and not only for firing and controlling the missiles. A supercomputer can simulate a nuclear test and is thus crucial to the development of nuclear warheads. But, according to a Washington Post editorial: ‘In the first three quarters of 1998 nine times as many [supercomputers] were exported [to China] as during the previous seven years.’”
“This transfer,” he writes, “was authorized three years after the spy thefts were detected. What rationale—besides stupidity, greed, or some other equally indefensible motive—could justify this? What responsible president or administration official, at any relevant level in any government, would allow the massive transfer of national-security assets like these to a dictatorship they knew had stolen their country’s most highly guarded military secrets?”
Back in the 1990s, as longtime Clinton bagman Terry McAuliffe, now governor of Virginia, set records raising money for the Clintons. In that era congressional investigators unearthed an elaborate Communist Chinese money-laundering scheme.
Under it money was funneled to the Clinton organization through businesspeople, including Yah Lin “Charlie” Trie. In that case, 94 individuals either refused questioning, pled the Fifth Amendment, or fled the country. Trie accepted a plea bargain with federal prosecutors in 1999 in exchange for providing information about questionable campaign contributions from China.
McAuliffe helped a company called Loral Space get seats on official trade missions. He reportedly convinced the Clinton administration to overrule national security officials in order win approval for a Loral deal that gave Red China critical missile technology. Loral’s chief executive officer became the Democratic National Committee’s largest donor and McAuliffe became DNC chairman.
According to a Wall Street Journal account from Clinton days, a bipartisan congressional inquiry “found Beijing has stolen U.S. design data for nearly all elements needed for a major nuclear attack on the U.S., such as advanced warheads, missiles, and guidance systems. Targets of the spying ranged from an Army anti-tank weapon to nearly all modern fighter jets. Most wasn’t done by professionals, but by visitors or front companies. Lax security by the Clinton Administration is blamed in part, and satellite makers Hughes and Loral are criticized.”
China’s theft of American technology gave it a 20-year head start in developing its own nuclear warhead delivery system, Horowitz writes.
Hughes and Loral, large contributors to Clinton’s campaign coffers, gave the Chinese technology to deliver nuclear payloads, I.e. the MRV.
This was all backed by a NY Times article written by John M Broder on May 11, 1999.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/11/world/clinton-approves-technology-transfer-to-china.html
In the summer of 2001, it was disclosed that the George W. Bush Administration was negotiating with Loral and Hughes to reach civil settlements with the State Department, rather than face the prosecution of criminal charges from the Justice Department. Finally, on January 9, 2002, Loral announced that it had reached a $20 million settlement, whereby it agreed to pay a civil fine of $14 million to the State Department, “without admitting or denying the government’s charges,” and to expend at least $6 million to strengthen its export control compliance program (with $2 million already spent). Loral said that the Justice Department had ended its criminal investigation of the company and declined to pursue the case further. In January 2002, when Loral announced that it reached a civil settlement with the State Department, Hughes began its own negotiations for a civil settlement. At that time, the Justice Department ended its investigation of Hughes as well with the same basic level of settlement.
I believe Clinton was fined for his part of the exporting which ultimately ended up in North Korea and Pakistan, that we know of. I have searched the web, and anything about Clinton’s punishment for this is gone. I believe his fine was $90k and was paid for by donations he ask for.

Sorry about the length of this, but to be truthful, there’s a lot more that could be said.

red


72 posted on 04/19/2017 10:44:16 AM PDT by Redwood71
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To: MinuteGal
***Photo in # 14...***

Are those caps nailed to their heads? 😁

Those missile tubes could well be empty... 😈 heh heh heh

73 posted on 04/19/2017 11:05:23 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

How many Gold Medal flour sacks did these norks use?


74 posted on 04/19/2017 2:13:37 PM PDT by jimbug
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To: USS Alaska

Pakistan has a national GDP of $271 Billion in year 2015.
Pakistan has 100+ nuclear weapons.

NorK has national GDP of $16 Billion in year 2015.
And it has 6+ nuclear weapons.

NorK is slightly ahead in nuke spending based on GDP but not by much.

Iran has yearly GDP of $425 Billion..
Can afford 200 nukes based on Pakistan GDP.

GDP’s of major countries:


United States 18036.65
European Union 16311.90
Euro Area 11602.40
China 11007.72
Japan 4123.26 Dec/15
Germany 3363.45
United Kingdom 2858.00
France 2418.84 Dec/15
India 2095.40 Dec/15
Italy 1821.50 Dec/15
Brazil 1774.72 Dec/15
Canada 1550.54 Dec/15
South Korea 1377.87
Australia 1339.54
Russia 1331.20
Spain 1199.06
Mexico 1143.79
Indonesia 861.93
Netherlands 750.28
Turkey 717.88
Switzerland 670.79
Saudi Arabia 646.00 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Argentina 583.17 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Taiwan 523.01 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Venezuela 509.97 Dec/14 USD Billion Yearly
Sweden 495.62 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Nigeria 481.07 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Poland 477.07 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Belgium 455.09 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Iran 425.33 Dec/14 USD Billion Yearly
Thailand 395.17 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Norway 386.58 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Austria 376.95 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
United Arab Emirates 370.29 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Egypt 330.78 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
South Africa 314.57 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Hong Kong 309.23 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Israel 299.40 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Malaysia 296.28 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Denmark 295.09 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Singapore 292.74 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Philippines 292.45 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Colombia 292.08 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Ireland 283.70 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Pakistan 271.05 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Chile 240.80 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Finland 231.95 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Portugal 198.92 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
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Peru 189.11 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
Czech Republic 185.16 Dec/15 USD Billion Yearly
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75 posted on 04/19/2017 2:56:46 PM PDT by entropy12 (Read my profile for how to really reduce healthcare costs & improve quality.)
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To: Calusa

excellent info about clintOn carter and NOKO


76 posted on 04/19/2017 4:58:43 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Redwood71

We need some sense of proportion here.
Loral...sells out the US by selling guidance technology to China allowing their MIRVs destroy the US. $20 Million fine.
VW...sells some cars that have control computers tweaked so they put out slightly higher than allowable emissions during acceleration. $15 BILLION fine.

That’s almost 1,000X greater penalty to sell some slightly polluting cars vs selling out your country for political gain.


77 posted on 04/19/2017 6:54:59 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

IIRC Clinton approved the Loral sale after getting campaign “bribes” from the Chinese military including at the Buddhist Temple in Rowland Heights CA. Gore picked up the envelopes.

The sale included the Cray supercomputers to run the software.


78 posted on 04/19/2017 7:02:56 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“That’s almost 1,000X greater penalty to sell some slightly polluting cars vs selling out your country for political gain.”

Clinton sold out more than political gain. Shortly after he left the office, there were multiple ICBM’s put on the blocks with multiple warheads targeting the west coast of the US. They remained there to this day.

They started testing the DS-5 missiles in the 70’s. The new variant of a DF-5 missile, which has the MIRV with 10 nuclear warheads is called the DF-5C and can target the entire US with a 15K KM range. The distance from China to New York is just over 11K KMs. So, if they decide to launch, they have the capacity of taking out over 8M people with one shot. And since they have now gained sub capacity, they can deliver from the mainland using the MIRV program or at sea.

And what made this possible, was the ability to target landing locations with the MIRV. The same one Bill sold to them for campaign funds in the 90’s.

red


79 posted on 04/20/2017 9:00:22 AM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Redwood71

bttt


80 posted on 04/29/2017 9:01:47 PM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! And please, God, bless the USA again.)
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