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Trump, Putin, and Pope Francis — and the Plot to Kill Pope John Paul II
The American Spectator ^ | May 5, 2017 | Paul Kengor

Posted on 05/06/2017 7:01:16 AM PDT by GreyFriar

On May 13, 1981, shortly after 5:00 p.m., Pope John Paul II, the first non-Italian pope in 455 years, the first Slavic pope ever, and — to the great dismay of the Soviet Union — an intensely anti-communist Pole from the heart of the Communist Bloc, slowly rode through St. Peter’s Square in his white Fiat “Popemobile.”

Among the onlookers gathered for the pontiff’s weekly audience were Americans and Italians, Chinese and Germans, Latin Americans and Africans — Turks and Bulgarians. And observing intently from still further away were Russians posted at the Kremlin. Moscow had recently described this pope as a “malicious, lowly, perfidious, and backward… toady of the American militarists,” who was seeking to undermine communism with his “overseas accomplices” and “new boss in the White House.” His new boss: Ronald Reagan.

That was their cynical fear, their worst fear, and very legitimate fear. The Soviets loathed the prospect of this stridently anti-communist pope working with the stridently anti-communist president against their objectives.

Make no mistake: Pope John Paul II and President Ronald Reagan scared the Kremlin. And with good reason. The pope implored his people to choose God’s side over what the Protestant Reagan and the Roman Catholic Church both called “godless communism” and against what Reagan labeled an “Evil Empire.”

Soviet officials knew this Polish pontiff was a grave affront to their mortal existence. If only he was dead. Frankly, they wanted him dead. And now, on May 13, 1981, they were ready to take their shot.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: assassination; communism; pope; reagan
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Paul Kengor has researched and written about what has been speculated for 35+ years, that the USSR ordered the assassination of Pope John Paul II because they saw the "Pope from Poland" as a true threat to the USSR and Communism.
1 posted on 05/06/2017 7:01:16 AM PDT by GreyFriar
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To: GreyFriar

He also has a book out about Reagan (who was shot just a few months before Pope John).


2 posted on 05/06/2017 7:04:30 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer; Salvation; markomalley; SeekAndFind; tired&retired; Biggirl; marshmallow; Grateful2God; ...

Ping for all interested in the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan and their successful campaign against the Soviet Communism.


3 posted on 05/06/2017 7:06:31 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Add me to your list, I knew about George H.W. Bush and the Hinkleys trying to off President Reagan so Bush could become President, but haven’t heard about Pope Johnn Paul II and TRUMP?????????????? That’s far out there even for Alex Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


4 posted on 05/06/2017 7:10:23 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ( "The Force Awakens!!!"...Trump and Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: GreyFriar

Buried in this narrative is the point that Putin had nothing to do with this, so adding his name to the title is a bit over the top in guilt by association

The author seems to think Trump should press Putin to reveal excesses and crimes committed by the GRU and KGB almost 40 years ago
I would think Putin’s response would be for Trump to reveal the misdeeds of our own intelligence agencies

Frankly given what the world is facing now Russia is a necessary partner against the evils of radical collectivist ideology cloaking itself as a religion
And the Church of Rome has become a submissive enabler of that collectivism aka “ globalism”

Stop poking the Bear and find common ground with the Bear and get real about defining and respecting and truly defending our respective national interests


5 posted on 05/06/2017 7:16:40 AM PDT by silverleaf (We voted for change, not leftover change)
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To: HarleyLady27

JFK Jr. was bumped off. He was going to come out of the closet as a REPUBLICAN and run for the Senate vs. Hillary. It would have been over for the Democrats as the GOP he would have gotten 100% of the women vote.


6 posted on 05/06/2017 7:16:42 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: GreyFriar

If this is so secretive, why and how do we know the report fingers the GRU. The “source” is committing a felony by discussing something that is classified.


7 posted on 05/06/2017 7:19:18 AM PDT by PJBankard
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To: GreyFriar

Later


8 posted on 05/06/2017 7:22:21 AM PDT by preacher
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To: HarleyLady27

I think you may have jumped to a wrong conclusion by just reading the excerpt about a connection between Pope John Paul II and President Trump. Dr. Kengor is asking for President Trump to get President Putin to open up the GRU and KGB archives about the Soviet plan to assassinate Pope John Paul II. Please read the entire article at the link, if you have only read the excerpt.


9 posted on 05/06/2017 7:23:15 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I was living on the East Coast when that happened...remember it well...and I have always believed she was involved in it...


10 posted on 05/06/2017 7:23:17 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ( "The Force Awakens!!!"...Trump and Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: silverleaf

Yes, one has to read the article to discover that. I had thought about truncating the article’s title to “...the Plot to Kill Pope John Paul II,” but decided to post it as the American Spectator wrote it.


11 posted on 05/06/2017 7:26:07 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

No, I read the article, having President Trump come out with this, but would he? I don’t think even Alex Jones would come out with something like this...

Putin wasn’t ‘running’ anything at this time, and to tie Putin in the title seems a little pushy to me, this just doesn’t feel right...

Maybe Russia was involved, but to link people who were not at that stage level is over board for me...

That’s why the TRUMP????? and Alex Jones remark...


12 posted on 05/06/2017 7:26:44 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ( "The Force Awakens!!!"...Trump and Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: GreyFriar

That one pope that lived for like 30 days in office frowned strongly upon Sicilian mafia money being entangled in the Vatican account.

That ended bad for him.


13 posted on 05/06/2017 7:27:04 AM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: HarleyLady27

What’s the story with that Hinkley and Bush families thing?

Any truth to it?


14 posted on 05/06/2017 7:28:00 AM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622
Yes there is truth to it...The Bushes and the Hinkleys were close friends, the Hinkleys lived in Denver Colorado at the time, they had a son who ‘wasn't all together’ and had many problems with him...

Since the Hinkleys were a ‘repubulable’ family in the community, the papers were full of what they were doing, who they were entertaining that sort of thing...

The Bushes and Hinkleys were dining at the Hinkleys two nights before President Reagan was shot, that's when James Brady was shot also, and Hinkley’s son was the one that did it...

Because of the ‘ties’ to the JFK connection with George H. W. Bush and now with this shooting of President Reagan, there was a book that came out about a year later, I didn't get the book and I don't remember the title, but it ties the JFK, Cruz, Bush, Hinkleys, and Reagan together...

Maybe someone on here knows of the book and knows the title...that's as far as I know...I have done research on things, have my own opinions, but this information above has been publicized and people know about it...

15 posted on 05/06/2017 7:34:54 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ( "The Force Awakens!!!"...Trump and Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: HarleyLady27

Dr. Kengor, in my reading, explicitly states that he is NOT linking Putin with the plot.

Kengor wants President Trump to talk with Putin about releasing the closed archives of the GRU (Soviet/Russian Military Intelligence) and the KGB archives that were not opened during the early years after the fall of the USSR.

Thus, to me, this is not an “Alex Jones” wild-eyed conspiracy, but request to get the archives released for the full story about the attempt that the Bulgarians ran for their Soviet masters.


16 posted on 05/06/2017 7:37:30 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: dp0622

The Bushes were close to the Hinkleys.

The shooter had a lunch date with Neil Bush the day after the shooting, even.


17 posted on 05/06/2017 7:57:18 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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To: dp0622

You are thinking of Pope John Paul I — Aug. 26-Sept. 28, 1978.


18 posted on 05/06/2017 8:19:55 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: PJBankard

In his article, Dr. Kengor tells about the assassain’s confession of working for the Bulgarian version of the GRU/KGB that was executing the Soviet Operation:

“A few years after the shooting, Agca himself fingered the Bulgarians as his accomplices, though Sofia and Moscow vigorously denied any involvement. Early on, Italian investigators began gathering critical information, more of which would emerge from files after the Soviet collapse — smuggled out of Moscow by a KGB archivist in 1992.”

The “so secretive” are the actual GRU files, in Moscow, of the actual operation. Not that the Soviets were behind it. There was enough intel traffic during the 80s about the Soviets doing everything in their power to destroy John Paul II that it is not surprising that the Soviets would have wanted him killed. Also, note that Dr. Kengor has gotten much of his information via the Freedom of Information Act in requesting federal records.


19 posted on 05/06/2017 8:35:28 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

It would be kinda comical for us to demand they open their records about JPII while our JKF records were still locked up tight.


20 posted on 05/06/2017 8:40:31 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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