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Man who ran into hospital to get help for dying cyclist told to 'call 999' instead
UKTelegraph ^ | 6/8/17 | Telegraph reporters

Posted on 06/09/2017 5:04:32 PM PDT by originalbuckeye

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To: Thumper1960

I can’t address what you saw, but I don’t have to judge every first responder by that one person you observed either.

First responders do have to take courses and pass licensing testing. They do save countless lives each day across the nation, and they are the ones who are trained to do the job in the field.

They are equipped. A physician isn’t.

They are the ones that provide this type of service, and are most trained to respond to these types of situations.


41 posted on 06/09/2017 6:53:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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To: Thumper1960

LOL, you came into this with a tude, and nothing is going to explain things to you.

Okay, well, think what you want.

I’ve explained it to you in easy to understand terms.

Hospitals do not maintain ambulance service.

Ambulance services are provided by cities and private companies.

Generally, hospitals don’t have ambulances standing by. I can’t address what this individual hospital does or doesn’t have, but it’s not likely they do.


42 posted on 06/09/2017 6:56:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Driving a person to the hospital may take ten minutes, when they might have been able to get care on sight in five.”

Always call for the Paramedics, they bring medical help with them, they can administer care on the way to the hospital, and they get you quickly past the front door and into hospital care far faster than you can if you drive yourself.


43 posted on 06/09/2017 7:02:20 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: DoughtyOne
I come to this with the "it's the right thing to do" "tude".

Should I come across a car crash, and the driver is trapped within as a fire is seconds from consuming him, I am expected to wait for the professionals.

Society has taken a turn towards dystopia. I choose not to accept the implications, though so many seem to be just fine with it.

44 posted on 06/09/2017 7:02:35 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Trump-2016)
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To: beethovenfan

As long as somebody else pays for it.


45 posted on 06/09/2017 7:03:34 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: originalbuckeye
Picture of the scene, from the article

Found the hospital on Google Maps. The hospital is on the right and the front door of the emergency department is at the end of the silver building, not even 40 yards away by the looks. Dying outside a hospital's front door as nobody lifts a finger to help. Terrifying.

46 posted on 06/09/2017 7:03:58 PM PDT by fluorescence
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To: vette6387

Not only that, they are in communication with the hospital and arranging for “the team” to be ready for the malady this guy might have.

Yep, they’ll head right into a treatment room, first priority.

The staff won’t be doing an assessment at that point. They’ll be treating the guy immediately.

Good points Vette6387.


47 posted on 06/09/2017 7:04:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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To: Thumper1960

If a guy is in a vehicle and a fire is building, then I think you do what you can. I would try to ascertain if I could put out the fire. If I couldn’t, then I would consider moving the injured person the shortest distance possible to keep them safe.

When a hospital is approached, it’s almost 100% certain to be in an area where there is Emergency Medical care within three to six minutes of the scene.

They are the proper people to call on.

I understand where you are coming from. I just think first responders are the ones trained for this job.

I am not convinced the physical pulled from an E.R. is the best guy.

When a first responder shows up, he shows up with an E.R. work stating right there on site. He will have a kit with him that has all the things that are needed in this type of situation.

Thanks for presenting your views on this. Take care.


48 posted on 06/09/2017 7:12:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It is hard when you are brought up and taught to always render aid to anyone in any situation where you can to read or hear of situations where others have shirked their responsibilities to those in need. To me, it is an affront to humanity.

I am what I am, so it is said.

49 posted on 06/09/2017 7:16:11 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Trump-2016)
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I became certified to perform CPR. If needed to, I could do it. I would do it.

If I could get a first responder team there in a big hurry, you better believe they would be called by someone immediately. If nobody else was there, I’d actually dial the number and put the speakerphone on while it rang and I started doing what I could.

I would want a “real team” on site as soon as possible.

I think it’s natural for people to think, “Well there’s a hospital right there...” No. Don’t go there. Call 911 immediately. Save those precious minutes. Get professional care on the road.

The minute or two or three spent going to the hospital E.R. and trying to get a team out, could be the difference in life and death right there.

Even if a person has stopped breathing, they have a few minutes. In some cases, the first responders can be there in the time needed to revive the person.

If you can get an physician to come with you, more power to you. If you can’t, you’ve just wasted precious time.


50 posted on 06/09/2017 7:25:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Many of us in the field have had first aid training, CPR and AED, in addition to OSHA 30 hour training. I have tried to impress upon our managers the importance of such training. Construction can be dangerous and depending on the jobsite location, help in a timely manner can be problematic. The “Golden hour” has been proven to me to be real.


51 posted on 06/09/2017 7:32:54 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Trump-2016)
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New number for 999 Services in the UK. /sarc

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=moss+it+crowd+999&view=detail&mid=416EE31CBDFE8E140BB8416EE31CBDFE8E140BB8&FORM=VIRE


52 posted on 06/09/2017 7:42:14 PM PDT by Klemper
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To: Thumper1960

I’m a firm believer in it myself. Choices made in the fist thirty seconds after an accident is discovered could very well mean life or death.

You hope to do everything for that person you would hope folks would do for you. Even beyond that, you are driven to produce, to accomplish the rescue. It’s just who you are.

I understand that.


53 posted on 06/09/2017 7:43:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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To: DoughtyOne
So true.

Always impressed upon us growing up. Innocent human life is sacred. By doing what one can to save a life fulfills your obligation to civilization, society, God and yourself. It may be an archaic belief, but it's one I adhere to.

54 posted on 06/09/2017 7:49:08 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Trump-2016)
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To: Thumper1960

Started responding to you and touched on a number of things. I got too long winded and deleted all but the first paragraph and added a bit to it.

I meant to address the following, and accidentally didn’t.

I like your recommendation that your people be trained. Everyone on site should be ready to step in and help.

You are doing the right thing. Very good...

Hopefully management is listening, and the others will see the benefit and apply themselves to learning.


55 posted on 06/09/2017 7:50:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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To: Thumper1960

Hey, I admire that in you, and would hope I would live up to that myself.

Thank you Thumper1960.


56 posted on 06/09/2017 7:51:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fourth estate? Ha! Our media has become the KCOTUS, the Kangaroo Court of the United States.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thank you, too...and FReegards!


57 posted on 06/09/2017 7:59:57 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Trump-2016)
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To: DoughtyOne; Thumper1960

Aside from the emergency being discussed, this exchange between the two of you was very interesting. Civil, respectful and informative. Thank you, FReeper FRiends!


58 posted on 06/09/2017 8:18:01 PM PDT by Exit148 ((Loose Chnge Club founder) Put yours aside for the next Freepathon!)
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You expected less?

;-)

FReegards!

59 posted on 06/09/2017 8:21:22 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Trump-2016)
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“We ain’t got no time for that. You best call Herman Cain.”


60 posted on 06/09/2017 8:22:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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