Posted on 07/18/2017 4:56:05 AM PDT by Kaslin
>>>Abortion is so that leftist men can have a ready and willing herd of women without the responsibility.
IMHO<<<
You forget the women are giving themselves to these men. Prior to the sexual revolution conventional wisdom among women was this was not only immoral but unwise. Something has changed their thinking.
Because they are death-worshiping monsters.
The right is anti abortion and pro death penalty.
The sane are anti abortion and the death penalty.
The left loves anchor babies. :-(
Because anti God and anti baby goes hand in hand.
Nailed it. “Humans are destroying the planet”.
The fewer of us, the better in their view (themselves
excepted, of course).
When parents lose their rights to discipline their own children, where is the incentive to reproduce? Bottom line is that your kids are not just 'your kids' today. Most people don't believe in the 'village' as defined by government (even though many of them vote that way).
“Steve Sailer writes that women in Niger want about nine babies but usually have to make do with seven.”
A quick google search shows that childhood mortality rates there are pretty high, up over 25% only 20 years ago, and still around 10% nowadays. We’d be popping out more babies too if we knew a good number of them wouldn’t survive to be five or ten years old.
Academic: Someone who can not DO anything of value, speaks or writes a lot and expects to be paid to do so.
I was around when feminism got started. Those women ABSOLUTELY HATED MEN. Everything else stems from that.
“Your forget the women are giving themselves to these men...”
Not at all.
It does take two to tango, as it were, and the women who give themselves are just as contemptible as the macho-man, leftist punks, who think of themselves as superior to the rest of humanity, who also think of themselves as gods.
There’s an old saying that says “manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life”. Some of those punks may not do the things they do if an irate father or a cuckolded husband had his way with them.
IMHO
“You forget the women are giving themselves to these men. Prior to the sexual revolution conventional wisdom among women was this was not only immoral but unwise. Something has changed their thinking.”
Feminism changed their thinking into believing that managing a household, getting married and staying married,and raising decent, moral children is for fools. Getting married repeatedly, leaving kids in daycare, spending most of their evenings looking for strangers to get laid by, is more important. Feminism is pure evil.
Paul Ehrlich started a cult.
The sane are anti abortion and the death penalty.
Poor tribal people don’t have the resources to keep evil men locked up with safety and nourishment etc. Neither should we. The death penalty saved for abject cruelty gets rid of the evil ones who have diverted the most and the most voluntarily from normal behavior.
Interesting some of the world leaders are childless. Merkel, Teresa May, and Macron. There may be others.
>>> Puhleeze - their is no “Devil,” if by that term you mean a renegade or rebellious angel that opposes G-d. The very idea that one of G-d’s creations could oppose him (let alone be successful for even a microsecond) is absurd beyond belief.
I think the primary questions for you are “Is the Bible true?”.... “Can it be taken literally?”. It sounds like your answer is no to both. That is where we differ.
I agree that Lucifer had to be totally wacked out bonkers when he conspired to overthrow God... but it gets better than that... Satan somehow managed to convince a third of the entire angelic host to join his cause.... so the question then becomes “What could possibly have happened in heaven to generate so much pride and anger to the point that all these angels actually thought they had a chance at succeeding?”
My guess is that it had something to do with the creation of mankind, and the role which was revealed to the angels in serving mankind. (They are much more powerful than we are)
All I think I can share with you on this, in answer to your reasoned question is... “Emotion OVERRIDES reason”.
We see it all of the time here on earth.
Look around you... the world is going nuts!
Even regarding this topic. It does not make any sense whatsoever to oppose new life... and yet they do... and for reasons which defy logic.
Yes... Pride and anger IS capable of making you a total loon.
Don’t lean on your own understanding. You should take a harder look at the reliability of God’s Word.
“I think the primary questions for you are “Is the Bible true?”.... “Can it be taken literally?”. It sounds like your answer is no to both. That is where we differ.”
Where we differ is on what each of us believes “the Bible” to be. My understanding of it, since I’m Jewish, is that it is much more limited than you believe it is. Devarim (Deuteronomy) 13:1 speaks directly to this:
“Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.”
That says, quite specifically, that the message of the Bible is limited to what is in the 5 Books of Moses. Everything else (the writings of the Prophets, the Psalms, Proverbs, etc.) is either a record of history that DOESN’T change the meaning, or are commentaries on the central message in the Bible, which is that “The Lord is our God; the Lord is one.” Deut. 6:4
What SHOULD be needless to say, but often is NEEDED to be explicitly stated, is that whatever may be added that is in any way contrary to what is in the 5 Books of Moses is, by default, invalid - and that would apply (for believing Jews, including me) to every part of the Christian Bible that disagrees with the 5 Books. That which is true there is but commentary (though commentary of a nature not accepted by believing Jews, because it is used to support new ideas which are contrary to those in the 5 Books of Moses). Of course, you are certainly entitled to disagree - God gave all humans free will.
Note, however, that God does NOT lie: Numbers 23:19 http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9951/jewish/Chapter-23.htm “God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill?” Thus, what God said in Deuteronomy 13:1 CANNOT be untrue, nor can a positive and definitive statement like that be changed, even at God’s “whim,” without calling into question everything else in the Bible. Note, btw, that without the necesary foundation of the 5 Books of Moses, the entirety of the Christian Bible would be invalid - so for a believing Christian to dispute any part of the 5 Books would be for him or her to undercut their own beliefs.
As an aside, and support for my last statement in terms that you will better understand) Jesus (as quoted in your own Bible) explicitly agreed: Matthew 5:18 - “For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.” https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%205%3A18
Thus, what is in Deuteronomy 13:1 is, based on BOTH the Hebrew and Christian Bibles, VALID.
As I related in my first post, in the Hebrew Bible the angel ha satan (translated: “the satan” - a title and NOT a name) has a role ONLY as God’s servant - it can be no other way. It is utterly absurd, and frankly blasphemous, to believe (let alone teach others) that God could possibly be challenged by one of His creations. The Creator of the Heavens and the Earth could wipe out Satan and all of his/its supposed minions in the blink of an eye if He wished to do so - NOTHING is beyond His power. Thus, it is clear that the angel ha satan, evil and temptation are part of God’s plan for life on Earth. For everything there is a purpose http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16464/jewish/Chapter-3.htm
“16 And moreover, I saw under the sun, [in] the place of justice, there is wickedness, and [in] the place of righteousness, there is wickedness.
17 I said to myself, “God will judge the righteous and the wicked, for there is a time for every matter and for every deed there.”
18 I said to myself, [that this is] because of the children of men, so that God should clarify for them, so that they may see that they are [like] beasts to themselves.”
As an aside, and an aid to your understanding (at least of a different theological view), I recommend that you read Deuteronomy 13, in its entirety:
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9977/jewish/Chapter-13.htm
>>> That says, quite specifically, that the message of the Bible is limited to what is in the 5 Books of Moses.
And your telling me that Lucifer/Satan is NOT in these first five books???
Who was the serpent in Genesis 3?
When God passed judgment on the serpent, He put enmity between the woman’s seed, and the serpent’s seed... prophesying that his seed would “bruise his heel” and her seed would bruise his head. (Gen 3:15)
Who was He referring to?
Did not Jesus claim to be this one Whom God said would come?
You did quote Jesus I think... and since you did quote Him as a credible witness to make your point, I have to ask you...
“Was He a good man or not?”
Who do you say that He is?
Who crucified Him, and Why?
If He was worthy of crucifixion, what was his crime?
Jesus is either Who He claimed to be, or he was a raving lunatic.
>>> As I related in my first post, in the Hebrew Bible the angel ha satan (translated: “the satan” - a title and NOT a name) has a role ONLY as God’s servant - it can be no other way. It is utterly absurd, and frankly blasphemous, to believe (let alone teach others) that God could possibly be challenged by one of His creations. The Creator of the Heavens and the Earth could wipe out Satan and all of his/its supposed minions in the blink of an eye if He wished to do so - NOTHING is beyond His power. Thus, it is clear that the angel ha satan, evil and temptation are part of God’s plan for life on Earth.
Ok... what about Genesis 6?
Were these angels doing God’s “will”?
What role were they fulfilling as “temptor” when they interbred with human women?
You telling me God wanted them to do that???
were they not punished for it?
How can they be punished for something God wanted them to do?
Kids bring a reality that gets in the way of their fantasy beliefs.
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