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California secession campaign can start gathering signatures
SacBee ^ | July 25, 201 | AP

Posted on 07/26/2017 8:33:43 AM PDT by Cheerio

SACRAMENTO, Calif.

A group that wants California to secede from the United States can start collecting signatures for its ballot initiative.

The state attorney general issued an official ballot measure title and summary Tuesday. The campaign can now start gathering the more than 585,000 signatures it will need to qualify for the 2018 ballot.

The initiative would form a commission to recommend avenues for California to pursue its independence and delete part of the state constitution that says it is an inseparable part of the U.S. The measure would also instruct the governor and California congressional delegation to negotiate more autonomy for the state.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: calexit; california; newcalifornia; secession; timdraper
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To: Starboard

Please let me know who to contribute money too so this can happen sooner rather than later.


41 posted on 07/26/2017 9:32:34 AM PDT by bestrongbpositive
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To: Leaning Right
There is no legal mechanism in the U.S. Constitution - or anywhere else - that allows for secession. So if a state wants to secede, the Constitution must be changed to allow for it. Ain’t gonna happen

Umm, you better re-read the US Constitution, there is nothing in it about secession, at all.

42 posted on 07/26/2017 9:34:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: M Kehoe

We need a parallel effort in the rest of the USA to expel Californian from the republic. Call it #CALGONE.


43 posted on 07/26/2017 9:36:11 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Bobalu

California.... while you’re at it please take Oregon and Washington State with you. If you take them we can throw in New Mexico for you as well.


44 posted on 07/26/2017 9:36:37 AM PDT by bestrongbpositive
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To: Falcon4.0

Why be belligerent when CA leaving is what we all want? We should be talking about how to make this as smooth as possible.


45 posted on 07/26/2017 9:38:01 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cheerio

This is great.

When it passes, Trump will have the justification he needs to send in the military.

Let Brown suffer the same fate as Jeff Davis.

Maybe we can use his 2600 acre ranch in Yuba county for a cemetary like Arlington.


46 posted on 07/26/2017 9:39:01 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Mariner

We can live without their taxes. F**K’em, let them leave just don’t let them leave without taking Pelosi and Maxine Waters.


47 posted on 07/26/2017 9:40:51 AM PDT by bestrongbpositive
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To: central_va

The US Congress wants that money and will NEVER, EVER approve CA secession.


48 posted on 07/26/2017 9:42:06 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: central_va

> there is nothing in it about secession, at all <

Well, yes. That’s what I said: There is no legal mechanism in the U.S. Constitution that allows for secession. That’s a fact.

I suppose one could argue that since the Constitution does not explicitly prohibit succession, it must somehow be doable. That’s shaky reasoning

This was an oversight by the Founders, IMO. It would have been nice if they would have put in a mechanism for a state to secede. The process should be lengthy - very lengthy - but it should be possible.

A Constitutional amendment addressing that might have been possible in, say, the year 1800. As you know, back then folks were very attached to their states, and they were very attuned to states right. Now...not nearly as much. Everyone wants that federal money.


49 posted on 07/26/2017 9:51:14 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Cheerio

Where do I sign?


50 posted on 07/26/2017 9:59:55 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Cheerio

I wonder if Washington, Oregon, and California secede they might decide to become remote states of China or just be an independent country. We could then set up border crossing stations and demand passports for anyone entering the USA and also require import taxes for all goods entering the country.


51 posted on 07/26/2017 10:15:34 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Leaning Right
I suppose one could argue that since the Constitution does not explicitly prohibit succession, it must somehow be doable. That’s shaky reasoning

Clearly you do not know how the USC works. Every law or action passed by a state is considered constitutional until proven otherwise by a party or parties with standing. Just as long as the state law doesn't usurp enumerated federal power in the USC its a good law. Again there is nothing in the USC about secession because if the founders had put that in there then it would have never been ratified.

52 posted on 07/26/2017 10:23:12 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Wait a minute. I must modify my post #49 to you. The 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

One could fairly argue that since secession is not covered in the Constitution, the 10th Amendment gives that power to states.


53 posted on 07/26/2017 10:24:45 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: murrie

If this ever had some serious chance of succeeding I could see federal Democrats panicking. They will pull out all the stops to prevent California from leaving.


54 posted on 07/26/2017 10:36:13 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: central_va

Occupy?

How about defeat, incarcerate, evaluate, deport and intern?

I think the arrival of half a million troops would throw a pretty good scare into blue-county CA.


55 posted on 07/26/2017 10:37:05 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs and RINOs...same thing)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

What are some kind of Lincolnesque blood thirsty monster? You are a scary dude. Calm down and take your meds.


56 posted on 07/26/2017 11:10:26 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Leaning Right

Yes, I think you agree now. However whether the 10th existed or not states still can secede. On this we probably disagree.


57 posted on 07/26/2017 11:13:13 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cheerio
Please Lord, allow this to suceed. AZ needs to plan on what type of fence and border patrol will be required!


The Kalifornia boarder stations already exist, just a name change will do it.

This is on I-10 at the CA side of the Colorado River -

https://goo.gl/maps/X9Ey2urneXx

58 posted on 07/26/2017 11:57:58 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: jeffc
BTW, anyone recall what Californicate said when Texas made rumblings about seceding back when 0 was Prez?

For the benefit of the average (imbecile) voter, when Texas joined the Union, it was already a Republic, and joined with "expressed" specific-non negotiable conditions...

California did not.

59 posted on 07/26/2017 12:11:34 PM PDT by publius911 (Less Tweets More Golf! it works!!!)
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To: MarineBrat
I live in CA and I would sign this in a heartbeat. Then I would take my treasure and move to Idaho.<>What treasure?

California is certain to institute an EXIT Tax...

60 posted on 07/26/2017 12:14:49 PM PDT by publius911 (Less Tweets More Golf! it works!!!)
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