California secession campaign can start gathering signatures

SacBee ^ | July 25, 201 | AP

[Svartalfiar]

Well, yes. That’s what I said: There is no legal mechanism in the U.S. Constitution that allows for secession. That’s a fact.

I suppose one could argue that since the Constitution does not explicitly prohibit succession, it must somehow be doable. That’s shaky reasoning

So you're saying that everything not allowed by the Constitution is forbidden? In fact, the Constitution explicitly states certain things the states can't do. Then, it also says they can do everything else:

Article I
Section. 10.
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Article the twelfth... The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[Svartalfiar]

That was supposed to be a reply to 49, not 50.. Not sure how FR manages to swap that around.

[hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998]

Not this CRAP again.

Many economists agree that California is currently going through a financial tragedy, with a projected budget deficit of 19 billion dollars this year.

Jobs- No job in California is safe at the moment. The state cut 22,000 teachers in the past year to help with the education budget. Small businesses are suffering as well. Sacramento now has one closed business for every six that remain open.

In Los Angeles County 1 in 5 people are now receiving public aid. California as a whole has 12% of the nation’s population, but 36% of the country’s Temporary Assistance for Needy Families welfare recipients.

With fewer Californians in the workforce, the state’s pension fund is quickly plummeting. CalPERS, California’s state pension fund has $16.5 billion more in liabilities than assets. On top of the already bankrupt system, California is expected to receive a $51.8 billion bill for the state’s retirees’ healthcare in the next year.

California’s Healthcare System might be the biggest mess, with 1 in 4 Californians (under 65) having no health insurance last year. This individual dilemma has snowballed into a state-wide problem, as dozens of hospitals and E.R.s have shut down in the past ten years. The connection? Many hospitals and emergency rooms could not afford to stay open after being filled with illegal immigrants, unemployed Californians and homeless people who weren’t able to pay for the services they were receiving.

>———Exactly what US resources is it a drain on?<———

According to an article in Slate, “[Receivership] would involve the assignment of an accountant to manage the state’s debt, overseen by a judge. It would be a lot like bankruptcy, except instead of following a structured set of steps, a receiver has the authority to force creditors to renegotiate loans in a speedy fashion.” Details are still unclear, as California would be the first state to go into receivership.
HAHAHAHAHA Moved there in ‘58, left in ‘94 but not soon enough.

[Leaning Right]

I’ve thought about this some more. My post #53:

The 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

One could fairly argue that since secession is not covered in the Constitution, the 10th Amendment gives that power to states.

[GoldenPup]

You must get your info from the NY Slimes.

[SoConPubbie]

Care to show me the article and section of the US Constitutional that makes secession unconstitutional?

I am sure that RJS1950 is referring to Federal Common Law, whereby the US Supreme Court (as well as others) simply make-up laws as they go and call them constitutional without any basis, grounding or foundation in the US Constitution.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

What are some kind of Lincolnesque blood thirsty monster?

No. Who said anything about blood? Only if they shoot first. Just like the LA Korean shop owners during the Rodney King riots.

I'm certainly no descendant of the KlanRATs.

[Mariner]

You’re welcome to try to refute the information.

[GoldenPup]

No need.

[Savage Beast]

Yes, let California cecede, but only on a county by county basis. Those counties that vote to remain in The USA will do so.

(That's how West Virginia came about, remember?)