Posted on 08/02/2017 10:16:49 AM PDT by jazusamo
Back door to increase Indian and Filipino H1B’s as most of them speak english.
But he is not here as an immigrant he came here originally on a STUDENT VISA ...just like obamas father did...
his particular visa might have given him permission to work for a year once he had graduated form his American university...
But it doesn’t lead to citizenship...
and he cant stay forever...
he just gets extensions on his visa...
just like Obamas father tried to ...but he got deported...they turned him down for an extension...
This is certainly different than what Obama, Reid, McCain and Grahamnesty had in mind.
Back in Obama’s father’s day these guys got deported.
I am telling you, today they find legal ways to stay forever.
If all else fails they enroll in another fly-by-night Masters program and start the process all over again.
I will use it because it is correct and proper to do so. You can be a legal permanent immigrant to this country and not elect to be a citizen. There is no mandate to become one, but there is a path to do so should you so elect. I fail to see how that is an insult.
Every immigrant who arrives here has already completed any “path” and now has only the prescribed amount of years required until they can be naturalized into American citizenship...
There are millions of legal permanent immigrants who have done it the right way, but still do not wish to become US citizens. That is their choice. They become Legal Permanent Residents.
FYI: Over 60% of the green cards issued in the US annually are from change of status, i.e, the individual is here under a different legal status and changes to a LPR.
Or he marries an American citizen or a company sponsors him for an H1B visa and then changes status. Or he came here as a refugee or asylum seeker and changed status due to individual circumstances, i.e., it was not possible to return back to his home country for fear of being killed or imprisoned.
but they didn’t come here as immigrants...
that’s all I said..
you either come here as an immigrant...you immigrate...or you don’t...
nobody becomes an immigrant AFTER they arrive here...
the immigration process...the citizenship process is started back in heir own country...
I never said they HAD to be naturalized...
Ted Cruz’s father was here for more than 30 years and never intended to be an American citizen...
He only changed his mind when his son Ted started to be somebody and have ambitions in American politics...
I knew a man years ago who promised his Canadian mother who had Loyalist ancestors that he would not become an American citizen until after she was dead...
bit extreme but it happens...
Ted Cruz’s father had no reason not to become an American other than he didn’t want to do so...until...
personally I was awe struck the day I was naturalized and cried all day...for me it was a heady experience...
but I guess there are those who don’t want to..
why they wouldn’t want to is suspect but they ya are...
However I arrived here knowing I was accepted for citizenship...
The number from my green card is at the top right hand corner of my naturalization paper..
a green card means you are practically a citizen...
except you cant vote or hold a government job...
You don't come here as an immigrant on a H1B temporary work visa, but you can become an "immigrant" after 6 years if your sponsor nominates you for a green card, which gives you permanent resident status that can lead to citizenship. You can argue where the process began, but you can come here under a different status and convert to being a citizen. Or
Marriage to a U.S. citizen allows you to get immigrant status. A Green Card through marriage can be obtained through the following forms:
Form I-130, Petition for Alien Relative
Form I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status.
Your U.S. citizen spouse files Form I-130 on your behalf and you file Form I-485. You can file at the same time. Your spouse is your immediate relative, so concurrent filing, which means filing at the same time, is permitted.
Your current H-1B status will allow you to apply for a Green Card while remaining with your spouse in the U.S.
except you cant vote or hold a government job...
You can hold a government job with a green card, but those jobs requiring security clearances would not be available. For example, we allow green card holders to join the military, but the positions they can hold are limited.
Rights and Responsibilities of a Green Card Holder (Permanent Resident)
Winning for you Americans for sure. Love the idea about English speaking, but wonder if he should be targeting the refugee system first, as that appears to be where the real trouble comes from.
So much winning, but a loss for me, if I ever need to flee Canada, cutting the Green cards in half. :)
Ah, I missed the part where it said he “endorses” this, so it is not a done deal. Well, the good thing is American voters will get to see who of their leaders is on the cheap labor express.
What’s all that got to do with me...
as an immigrant knowing how it goes I set you straight...
you can tweek the facts all you want ...
either they are an immigrant or they are not...
somewhere in their visa was a provision for immigration...
they are not rewarded later out of thin air...
this is not about foreign born people married to American citizens...that’s a given..
this is about all the rest...
Yes, help the country AND make our neighborhoods safer too...
Funny, but that is what I was trying to do with you. I spent 28 years as Foreign Service Officer. I held a consular commission and issued visas, including immigrant visas.
Personally, my wife is an "immigrant" and a naturalized citizen. We married overseas while I was assigned abroad as a naval officer. When we returned to the US, my wife was not interested in becoming a citizen. However, when I joined the FS, she had to become a US citizen in order for me to be assigned abroad. My wife's naturalization was expedited and she was a citizen in less than three years.
At one time, having a foreign, non-citizen wife was not allowed in the Foreign Service. Today, spouses can travel with their FSO wife/husband without becoming US citizens.
somewhere in their visa was a provision for immigration... they are not rewarded later out of thin air...
You don't understand our visa laws or the process. I am not going to waste my time further with you. This exchange started with you being offended by my mentioning that a path to citizenship was available to legal immigrants. It is a choice, not a mandate. Maybe it should be. We have devalued citizenship more and more as assimilation is no longer an objective. And we permit millions of people to be here as "permanent residents" and millions of others to hold dual nationalities. As someone who grew up in an urban immigrant neighborhood in the 1940s and 1950s, this is not the America I once knew.
Teddy Roosevelt’s “Unhyphenated America” Speech
What is true of creed is no less true of nationality. There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
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