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The MiG-23: Russia's Worst Fighter Jet Ever?
The National Interest ^ | August 7, 2017 | Michael Peck

Posted on 08/07/2017 8:08:55 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

In the 1980s, the U.S. Air Force's secret 4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron evaluated a collection of captured or donated Soviet aircraft to determine their strengths and weaknesses.

On the whole, the expert test pilots were fond of the light, nimble and simple MiG-21. But not its successor. “The MiG-23 was a nightmare, maintenance was a nightmare. The guys hated flying it,” recalled a former 4477th squadron commander.

The MiG-23 was the 1970s fighter that the West loved to mock as junk. What could one expect from an aircraft that NATO gave the sadomasochistic name of Flogger?

With this year marking the fiftieth anniversary of the MiG-23’s first flight, it's worth asking: was the West's contempt justified? Or did the Flogger have the last laugh?

The MiG-23 began its life in the early 1960s. Impressed by America's new F-4 Phantom, the Soviet military asked the MiG design bureau to design a successor to the MiG-21 Fishbed, according to Yefim Gordon and Keith Dexter, writers of an authoritative history of the MiG-23. The new fighter was to be capable of achieving Mach 2.2, have a longer range than the MiG-21 and have a short takeoff and landing (STOL) capability to operate from rough airstrips. In return, Soviet commanders were willing to accept a less maneuverable aircraft.

Struggling to meet these requirements—especially the STOL part—MiG designers turned to a variable-geometry, or “swing-wing” design. They weren't the only ones: the 1960s and 1970s saw the introduction of the F-111, F-14, Tornado and B-1. Though offering the ability to configure an aircraft aerodynamics to meet various flight situations, such as takeoff and landing or low speed versus supersonic speed, the weight and complexity of variable-geometry wings soon made them a Cold War relic.

The MiG-23 first took flight in June 1967, and went into operational service in 1970. From 1967 to 1985, some 5,047 MiG-23s were manufactured, used by twenty-eight nations in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia. The aircraft's equipment evolved over time, but standard models included a Sapfir-23 radar, TP-23 infrared sensor, a 23-millimeter cannon and four air-to-air missiles (two R-23 medium-range radar-guided missiles and two R-60 short-range heatseekers).

The Vietnam War made established the MiG-21’s reputation. It was the Arab-Israeli Wars that blackened the reputation of the MiG-23. During air combat against Israeli F-15s and F-16s over Lebanon and Syria between 1982 and 1985, nearly a dozen Syrian MiG-23s were shot down. In Western eyes, the Flogger became a clumsy fighter that lacked the sophistication of Western designs.

Fast forward to today, and opinions of the MiG-23 are all over the spectrum. Former 4477th Squadron test pilots were afraid the engines would blow up or the aircraft would kill them. On the other hand, the Israelis evaluated a MiG-23 handed to them by an Arab defector, and concluded it had better acceleration than an F-16A. The Flogger is best characterized as a speeder rather than a dogfighter: in a NATO-Warsaw Pact war—the war that Soviet equipment was designed to fight—mass formations of MiG-23s would use their superb acceleration to zoom in, launch their air-to-air missiles and zoom away. MiG-23 fans also say that the aircraft exported to Soviet clients like Syria were “monkey models” lacking many capabilities that Soviet air force enjoyed, such as better radar and radar warning sensors.

Perhaps the last word should come from the Soviets themselves, who produced a manual for foreign pilots learning to fly the MiG-23. The Soviets believed the MiG-23 had better climb rates and turning ability than the F-4 or F-16A at certain altitudes and speeds. However, “compared with the F-15A, the only advantage possessed by the MiG-23MLD was its ability to outclimb the Eagle in a zoom at speeds above 1,150km/h (715mph).”

The Soviets also considered the MiG-23s radar to be inferior to the F-15A's but equal to the F-16A's. “In conclusion, the manual stated that when armed with R-24 and R-60 missiles, the MiG-23MLD could hold its own against all the types of fighters considered,” Gordon and Dexter write. “If, however, it was pitted against F-15A, the MiG-23MLD only stood a chance of prevailing if several of them made simultaneous diving attacks from different directions and zoomed away once within visual range to return to the attack. This required experienced, skilled pilots and good ground control or AWACS backup. Great emphasis was placed on the initial attack phase and the importance of the element of surprise. It warned against head to head attacks against F-15As.”

The MiG-27 appeared in 1975, which was a ground-attack variant of the MiG-23. India used both models, and is retiring both models of what what it considers to be an accident-prone aircraft.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mig23; russia; ussr
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1 posted on 08/07/2017 8:08:56 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’d say the Lockheed F-104.


2 posted on 08/07/2017 8:15:11 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Also, the swing wing was not like an F-14 which could move and change automatically along with the conditions of the fight. The 23 pilot had to manually select the wing configuration.


3 posted on 08/07/2017 8:24:24 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
What could one expect from an aircraft that NATO gave the sadomasochistic name of Flogger?

And there's the MiG-15 Faggot.

4 posted on 08/07/2017 8:58:01 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: sukhoi-30mki

[mass formations of MiG-23s would use their superb acceleration to zoom in, launch their air-to-air missiles and zoom away]

Some say the Viet Cong were so protective of the Mig-21’s they used the same tactics.


5 posted on 08/07/2017 9:05:15 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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Some say the Viet Cong were so protective of the Mig-21’s they used the same tactics.

Not the viet cong. It was the North Vietnamese AF. The rest is true. They used slash and dash tactics to keep their fleet intact. Robin Olds messed up that tactic with Operation Bolo.

6 posted on 08/07/2017 9:40:10 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

Yeah, I kinda lumped them all together. I probably should have included their Russian mercenaries.

Some reports showed the same apparently against the IAF — they’d be in some dogfight and the MiG-21’s would come in, fire off Atoll’s and keep right on going.

I’ll have to go back to see what battle(s) it was.


7 posted on 08/07/2017 9:43:07 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: pfflier; Doogle

Oops didn’t see that last part.

I was about to mention Robin Olds.


8 posted on 08/07/2017 9:44:29 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: Snickering Hound
Whatever the Starfighter lacked in capability as an air-superiority fighter, it made up for in appearance. Which was 180 degrees from the homely Flogger.

I think the interceptor role of the 104 was well proven by the Japanese Air Self-Defense Force, which used the aircraft to counter intrusive Soviet aircraft from the '60s until the '80s.

9 posted on 08/07/2017 9:59:28 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Snickering Hound

The F-104 wasn’t really a fighter, but rather an interceptor. It was designed to go very fast in a straight line, thus the stubby wings, among other design choices.


10 posted on 08/07/2017 10:07:01 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I got to look over the one they had in the TS “museum” at Nellis. It was the full-blown monkey version, all the markings were in English and German and the hard points were reversible. Rotate one way for Warsaw pact munitions, the other way for NATO.

The story they told us was that the early MiG-23 prototypes were experiencing engine shock stalls at transonic speeds so they decided to copy the intake ramp from the F-4 Phantom II. When the west finally got their hands on one, they also discovered there’s a wire cutter in the narrow gap between the engine nacelle and the fuselage. They put one there on the F-4 so if you use the crash barricade, the wire cutter keeps the net from pinning the canopy closed. Except the Soviets didn’t have any aircraft carriers so there was never any intent of operating them from carriers or potentially having to use a crash barrier.

Their explanation was that the Soviet engineers probably didn’t recognize the wire cutter for what it was but figured if M-D had taken the pains to add it to the F-4, it must have had some material benefit, so they’d better put them on the MiG as well.

Dunno if that was true or just a Cold War joke at the Rooskies expense, but we all got a chuckle from it.


11 posted on 08/07/2017 10:20:53 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: pfflier

BIG TIME...(bolo)


12 posted on 08/07/2017 10:26:16 PM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..enever store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: noiseman

I agree. It was to put missiles onto Soviet bombers.

Plus, one of them caught up with the NCC-1701 Enterprise.

Too bad about that tractor beam.


13 posted on 08/07/2017 10:40:14 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A friend of mine owns not just one but twelve Mig 23’s, he bought them in Poland, had them shipped to Borger, Tx and brought mechanics from Poland to assemble six of them. There they have sat for years. He had a wild idea how to use them but it never worked out.

So if anyone wants a Mig-23 I can hook you up.


14 posted on 08/08/2017 2:26:56 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Um ... F-111 (Aardvark) from ye olde days of Robert “Whiz Kid” McNamara. So called “variable” sweep-wing.


15 posted on 08/08/2017 3:27:37 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Charles Martel

I saw first hand what the F-104 could do at NAS Jax. One had landed from Patrick AFB, ahead of a hurricane evacuation. The pilot rolled halfway out the hangar, hit his afterburner and went straight up. It was out of sight in 5 seconds!


16 posted on 08/08/2017 4:02:20 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Paal Gulli

That’s great...never heard about that. Reminded me of the job they did in replicating a B-29 that had been interned in WWII. “Down to the last bolt...” they say...:)


17 posted on 08/08/2017 4:47:15 AM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: jamaksin

The F-111 turned out to be a very capable platform, and many pilots loved it...not the worst fighter ever (as a proxy for saying it was a piece of crap airframe)

I spoke to an Aussie at Oshkosh on year, and he raved about the plane, of which they had a bunch.

It just wasn’t a good air superiority fighter, but it was a fine platform.


18 posted on 08/08/2017 4:50:24 AM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: Charles Martel

IIRC the F-104 was the first plane to break the sound barrier flying straight up.


19 posted on 08/08/2017 6:07:40 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: rlmorel
It was a good Electronic warfare (AQ) platform...maybe not as good a Jammer as the EA-6B
Prowler, but serviceable.
20 posted on 08/08/2017 6:58:53 AM PDT by major_gaff (University of Parris Island, Class of '84)
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