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What I saw yesterday in Charlottesville
Myself | 8/13/2017

Posted on 08/13/2017 10:08:46 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

I am not a writer but will do the best I can. I arrived about 10:30ish. Was actually surprised that I was able to find a parking space relatively close to Lee Park. In fact I thought that perhaps the turnout wouldn't be as big as I was anticipating because I didn't see much at first and I was only 5 blocks from ground zero but I was wrong. By the time I had walked one block toward the park the police presence was strong. Many in riot type gear. They had most streets and walkways blocked off funneling everyone into two or three entrances to ground zero. As I got closer to the park you could feel the tension. The Antifa presence was strong as was BLM. Didn't see many 'alt-righters' till I got to the park. (One note here - I think some people were there just to watch. It also wasn't always clear who was who.)

E Market St was the only way the police were allowing entrance to the park. The park is not huge. I'm guessing, but maybe 1.5 acres or so. It also is on a mound/hill so you have take steps up from Market St to get to it. There are two sets of steps up to the park from Market St. I was coming from the south. The northern entrance was for those protesting the removal of the statue and had been cordoned off as best they could. The southern entrance was for everyone else although most people in the park were statue removal protesters (alt-right). As I got to the park the crowds were already pretty thick. The northern entrance had some priest/religious figure locking arms with antifa and blocking the entrance. The rhetoric and name calling was heavy from both sides. By the time I got to the park it was maybe 10:45 with the event slated to start @ noon. It looked to me there were about 300-400 alt-righters up top at the park and maybe 1000 -1500 others on the street being a mixture of the left and right but mostly left. By noon I would say the total number of people on all sides had swelled to 4-5,000. I position myself at the southern entrance on top of a retaining wall alongside 3 or 4 reporters/photographers. There were plenty of BLM signs, African Flags & various left supporting banners/flags. Of course many signs spouting about hatred and Nazi's too. The right had many Confederate Flags, various state flags & US flags, A Few Don't Tread On Me and a couple I didn't recognize. I've seen some pictures that show a few Nazi Flags/armbands but I didn't see them. Not saying there weren't there but again I didn't see them.

About 11:10 or so a group of about 50-75 statue supporters were making their way down Market street toward the park from the South. As they approached the southern entrance to the park is when the first violence started. Bottles of water, balloons of paint and bags of urine were thrown at them from the crowd. When that happen the shoving started, fist were flying and people hitting each other with sticks. Of course the right stood up for themselves. Now I'm not saying some on the right wouldn't be violent anyway BUT I can say for a fact they didn't start it. Also the police did nothing to quell the violence. Once it started it went on for at least 30-40 minutes or more with crap flying every which way. Also within this 30 + minutes a second group of about the same size also made there way down the street and this just exacerbated the chaos.

In looking at the pictures I took I see there aren't really any during this timeframe. I also wish I had taken more overall but all I know is if you weren't looking up and paying attention you were liable to be hit. Crap was being thrown in all directions but in a general direction without care to where it landed. I myself stopped 6 bottles coming in my direction, one from hitting the photographer next to me in the head.

As we approached noon the violence and shouting was prevalent. At this point the police started making the announcement on a bullhorn that the alt-right was having what had been declared an illegal gathering and that they must disperse or be arrested. They did nothing to contain nor restrain the left only the right. The right, who had legally obtain a permit to be there. They complied which I not sure if I was in charge I would have done, but that is another story. After this, while things continued to be chaotic people became more spread out and violence started to dissipate. As a side note I didn't see the vehicle thing.

I've never been in the middle of something like this. I found it fascinating & unnerving at the same time. In a split second things can escalate.

You can say what you want about those that were present on the right. They were there to speak to the removal of that statue and history. The MSM and politicians are railing on about the hatred and violence from the 'white supremacist' yesterday? But the left was full of vitriol & had no problem with violence even though you'd never know it from the press. I am not saying those on the right were all boy scouts but they had a right to be there and to have their right protected to assemble. Had the left not been there I am relatively certain no violence would have happened.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; FReeper Editorial; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: antifa; antifagraphic; brave; charlottesville; cvariots; fields; firsthandcvariots; freepercvariots; jamesfieldsvanguard; nationalism; nazi; sorosrevolution; standdown; virginia; white; whitepeople; whites
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To: VanDeKoik

““They will also hire a few people to wear Nazi armbands to discredit any conservative rally”

People tried that with Trump rallies and gatherings, and people gladly pointed them out and made it clear that they were not with the group, and made them leave.”

At an open rally such as this one I don’t think that can be done.

At a Coulter speech I am not sure it can be done as well.

Maybe it can be done in a closed rally with tickets but I would add perhaps only Trump could have done it. Also, in the press, Trump rally’s were widely blamed for the violence.


181 posted on 08/13/2017 1:18:17 PM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: alternatives?

The TEA Party rallies were huge and quite open and they had no problem sending the trash down the road.


182 posted on 08/13/2017 1:25:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: Altura Ct.

So this group in question did get a permit?


183 posted on 08/13/2017 1:31:17 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I have noticed alot of those types of postings bigtime.


184 posted on 08/13/2017 1:33:15 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: VanDeKoik

They used to do that with the Tea party rallies too.


185 posted on 08/13/2017 1:34:46 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Altura Ct.

Thank-you for your report and God Bless.


186 posted on 08/13/2017 1:35:14 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: entropy12

Look for that to happen.


187 posted on 08/13/2017 1:36:30 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: miss marmelstein

Heard that the antifa did not have a permit though.


188 posted on 08/13/2017 1:38:35 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: entropy12

Look for a fed investigation.


189 posted on 08/13/2017 1:39:48 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: rlmorel

I have always found it deeply ironic that liberals don’t sympathize with Nazis, much in the same way they sympathize with radical islam. After all, those two ideologies (Nazism and radical Islam) were (and likely are) kindred spirits.
__________

They keep arms’ length from the names. They embrace the tactics and the goals.


190 posted on 08/13/2017 1:41:44 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: oldvirginian

I doubt the blue helmet types will even bother to show up. Look fo them to sit on the sidelines munching on the popcorn.


191 posted on 08/13/2017 1:47:39 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: oldvirginian

Rather look for more of the Dems and RINOS to be thrown out next year.


192 posted on 08/13/2017 1:49:29 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Altura Ct.
I assume you are the author of the post. If so, you should offer yourself as a witness to any official investigation that is forthcoming. I see several key points in your testimony:

1. The violence was started by the counter-protesters (leftist groups).

2. The police stood down and did nothing to stop the violence for at least 30-40 minutes.

3. When they DID act, the police ordered the group with the permit to leave, and allowed the counter-protesters to stay, thereby absconding their obligation to protect constitutionally protected free speech, and acceding to mob rule.

All of the above could be used in a lawsuit against city officials.
193 posted on 08/13/2017 1:49:37 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Altura Ct.
"Also the police did nothing to quell the violence."

One side had a permit.

Yet the DNC run city allowed the others to protest and come into contact with the permitted crowd.

194 posted on 08/13/2017 1:53:46 PM PDT by NoLibZone (He's racist,homophobic,misogynist and has a concealed carry permit- God how I adore that man!)
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To: Altura Ct.

I much appreciate your first-hand account.


195 posted on 08/13/2017 1:54:50 PM PDT by jobim
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To: 4Runner

I had to post a few kick in the can responses today myself.


196 posted on 08/13/2017 1:55:40 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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Circa‏Verified account @Circa 1h1 hour ago

The man who organized #Charlottesville's 'Unite the Right' rally said police 'refused to do their job’ http://bit.ly/2vzZluz

197 posted on 08/13/2017 1:56:53 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: TigerClaws
“Unite the Right” is fake. All the people associated with it at a leadership level are controlled opposition. Don’t fall for this scam."

I don't know if the "Unite the Right" group is a false flag group, but when I heard claims that they were chanting "Heil, Trump!" my BS detector started flashing. Real Trump supporters don't do that, at least none that I've ever known. It sounds like a leftist caricature/smear of what a Trump supporter would do.
198 posted on 08/13/2017 1:57:09 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Ann Archy

The mayor said that the police presence was around 1,000. Sure weren’t many in the videos that I saw.


199 posted on 08/13/2017 1:57:20 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: Codeflier

I would say closer to 15/16.


200 posted on 08/13/2017 1:59:18 PM PDT by sport
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