Posted on 08/22/2017 7:33:05 AM PDT by mandaladon
Hacking the binocs of the Swabbies on watch would be a trick. Not like they were keeping eyes peeled for a car on a tree lined Street or something.
this could be the oceanic version of the automobile/truck massacres we've been seeing staged around the world lately. the ememy is low tech.
But these are all long term trends and shifts in the cultural mindset over a period of decades. It doesn’t explain a sudden rash of accidents around East Asia the last seven months.
The first time the Navy had a stand down with US Navy Ships was in November 1989. There were a lot more naval accidents then, versus now.
There was no hacking then. Nor is there now.
Poor Seamanship/leadership then and now!
48-HOUR STOPPAGE PLANNED BY NAVY
By STEPHEN ENGELBERG, Special to The New York Times
Published: November 15, 1989
WASHINGTON, Nov. 14— After a succession of accidents around the world, the Navy announced today that it was suspending routine operations for 48 hours to review safety procedures with each sailor and aviator.
It was the first time the Navy has taken such a step, officials said, and it reflected the mounting concern over the deaths and injuries sustained by both Navy personnel and civilians in the accidents in the past three weeks.
Navy officials said that the suspension would only affect routine operations and training exercises and that essential military functions, like ship movements in the Persian Gulf and drug interdiction efforts, would not be stopped. All deployed ships, submarines and aircraft would still be available for emergency operations, the officials said. Two More Accidents.
The safety review was ordered early this morning before word was received about a fire today aboard the Inchon, an amphibious assault ship undergoing maintenance in Norfolk, Va. The blaze injured 31 sailors and 8 civilians. The Navy said one sailor was in guarded condition and another was in serious condition.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/15/us/48-hour-stoppage-planned-by-navy.html?mcubz=0
You have some valid points. Ship handling is learned from experience and learning to deal with a dynamic situation of relative motion. Keeping situational awareness often requires that you ignore electronic devices and spurious inputs and rely on your own eye balls.
One thinng greatly bothers this old sailor.
Electronics can and do crap out in a split second without warning.
The “Mark 1-Mod 1” eyeball of an ALERT lookout will not.
This is not about two ships operating next to each other for re-fueling or provisioning that drift into a sideswipe collision.
This is is a Ferrari sports car getting t-boned by a overladen semi. That destroyer is infinetly more manuverable that the tanker yet it gets smacked just after of midships?
I bet that is PEOPLE caused.
The Mark of Cain is on McCain?
Navy Does Not Rule Out Intentional Act in Latest Warship Collision
China calls Navy ‘hazard’ in Asian waters
I have a difficult time believing the excuse, that China did it. Sounds like the Hillary excuse that Russia did it.
But I do believe that this is the answer, that no one was minding the store:
“The Navy traditionally adopts a strict policy of accountability for all ship mishaps.
On Friday, the two senior officers on the Fitzgerald were relieved of duty, and about a dozen other sailors who were on watch the night of the collision were punished.”
The McCain was “T-boned” forward mid ship starboard side. Those early reports claiming the McCain caused the incident demonstrate where the media is comming from, Why it was directly in the path of that container ship set course is what has to be determined.
If you were an officer the past 8 years that enjoyed creating Power Point presentations on gender neutral bathrooms and sexual harassment, you got promoted.
If you believed being an officer in the surface fleet involved navigating ships, you left in disgust.
“One would think that as a contemporary warship of the United States Navy we would be aware of every ship, boat, dinghy, canoe, kayak, paddleboard, surfboard, swimmer, airplane, drone, and seagull within one hundred miles of our technically-advanced fleet.”
The physics of sensors and the abilities of computers are not as impressive as the movies make them out to be.
The crow's nest on a ship was so called because crows were often taken on board to help the navigator determine where the closest land lay. In cases of poor visibility a crow was released & the navigator plotted a course that matched the bird's because it invariably headed towards land, 'as the crow flies'. The crows' cages were kept high in the main mast where the look-out stood his watch. 
My grandson has been an enlisted man in the navy for the past 50 months. They were deployed for 6 months (one deployment) in that time.
How are they to get experience at that rate?
Idiot traitor nobama “hacked” the military in many ways: PC BS, LGBTQ lunacy, affirmative-action and feminist favoritism are some.
Right you are. I always worked the bridge alone, many times towing a 4000 metre long seismic streamer.
I have yet to see any charts or diagrams showing how this collision happened. I have sailed into and out of Singapore literally hundreds of times in the past 35 years, and the Traffic Separation Scheme is well established and usually adhered to by all parties. If you do happen to wander out of the lanes near Tanjong Remunia, the observers at Horsburgh let you know sharpish. It could be that they had not yet entered the TSS.
As the destroyer was inbound, it is difficult to imagine a tanker of that size crossing the westbound lane, as there is nowhere to go in that direction other than the beach.
They removed two senior officers and the most senior enlisted for incompetence. So they already blamed it on incompetence. Next time read.
>>But these are all long term trends and shifts in the cultural mindset over a period of decades. It doesn’t explain a sudden rash of accidents around East Asia the last seven months.
Probably due to increased ops in that area, so more opportunities for defect and higher severity due to the crowded nature of that area. Accidents are an iceberg thing. For every catastrophic one, there are hundreds or thousands of minor ones that indicate an organizational and/or behavioral problem. The fact that the major ones are occurring now indicates that the minor accidents have reached epidemic proportions.
If the Chinese or Russians had the ability to hack our ships’ steering systems, why would they reveal that now?
But let’s say they do have that ability. Think what happens if we get into a military, er, naval conflict with them.
The Navy would never admit their systems have been hacked, anyway, so there is no end to this speculation.
Utter nonsense.
Complete fantasy.
IF this were true, the US would already be engaged in existential, kinetic war.
It would imply that a foreign power took out TWO US Capital ships on the high seas.
Nobody does that, ever, and lives to tell about it.
This is your proof this entire line of reasoning is complete bullshit.
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