Posted on 09/05/2017 1:25:53 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Observers of the same-sex marriage debate will have noticed the voice of one particular community has been largely missing from the fray: Muslims.
With few exceptions, including a statement from the National Imams Council, almost all of the talk of religious freedom and opposition to the bill on the grounds of faith has come from Christian leaders, particularly from the Anglican and Catholic Churches.
But now one Muslim leader has offered an explanation.
Last night on ABC's The Drum, Ali Kadri, spokesman for the Islamic Council of Queensland and the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, said his community was stuck with the choice of offending allies or siding with critics, and the result had been silence.
"Unfortunately, in the current climate, the right and conservative side has attacked Muslims as terrorists and extremists, and naturally the left side has been allies in defending us for a long period of time," he said.
"We are afraid if we come out with our opinion then the left may abandon us for going against their view and we can't be friendly with the conservatives because they have been bashing us for 15, 20 years every chance they get … and that includes some Christian sects as well."
Changing attitudes to same-sex marriage
Australia's longest-running annual lifestyle survey has revealed women are having second thoughts about whether a husband is for life, while support is growing for same-sex marriage. Even though it was the Australian Christian Lobby that led the charge against the Safe Schools program, Mr Kadri said Muslims were also deeply concerned about the possible impact of any legislative changes on education.
"A lot of Muslim community are concerned that religious rights will be trampled in Islamic schools [and that they] will have to follow a national curriculum that will teach things that go against the fundamentals of their religion, so they are concerned about it," he said.
"There are people in the Muslim community who want to know the facts.
"Will it have an impact on Safe Schools or not?
"Will it trample on our religious freedom because we are already afraid to build mosques, because we get right wing groups complaining about mosques, so will this have further impact on our rights and freedoms?
"The Muslim community is not speaking because the climate which is created in this country, we are not allowed to speak. We speak up and are called a terrorist, unpatriotic and all those slurs. "So we are missing out on having our say in this debate and that's the wrong thing."
Men kneel in prayer inside a mosque. PHOTO: Men during prayer at the Lakemba Mosque in south west Sydney. (AAP: Dan Himbrechts, file photo) Divide emerging between traditional and progressive Muslim leaders
Not all Muslim leaders have shown a reluctance to speak though.
Recently Council of Imams Queensland president Yusuf Peer said gay marriage was unacceptable to Islam, and that Muslims should respect LGBTQI people but "condemn only their actions".
How the survey could blow up
There are a couple of legal hurdles the survey has to clear before you'll have you say. And the statement from the National Imams Council was unambiguous: "Islam places the family unit at the heart of a healthy society, and in this context, the right of children to be cared for and raised by both a mother and father is one that must be protected.
"Islam also explicitly and unambiguously states that marital relationship is only permissible between a man and woman; any other marital relationships are Islamicly impermissible."
But the Muslim community's view is not unanimous.
In recent weeks, strong opposition to the conservative leadership view has begun to emerge.
National Advocacy group Muslims for Progressive Values has expressed support for same-sex marriage and in August, Muslims for Marriage Equality was formed to build support for the Yes vote.
In a press release, Muslims for Marriage Equality spokesman Fahad Ali, former peer educator with the AIDS council of NSW, stated: "There is a diversity in belief and opinion on equal marriage within the Muslim community … there is a strong thread of egalitarianism and social justice within the Koran and we think that it is very applicable to the question of same-sex marriage."
In recognition that many LGBT Muslims — or supporters — may be living with family members who do not support their views, Muslims for Marriage Equality is offering to provide temporary postal addresses for those who cannot have their ballot paper sent to their home addresses.
Consensus 'difficult' to achieve
As Rusi Jaspal, Professor of Psychology & Sexual Health from De Montfort University pointed out, it is difficult to define a single Islamic position on homosexuality, because Islam is diverse, with about 1.6 billion followers across six continents.
After all, while homosexuality is illegal in most Islamic countries including Iran and Saudi Arabia, it is not in others such as Jordan and Turkey.
Why the No campaign's ad will work
The people running the No campaign know a thing or two about running an advertising campaign. As Mr Jaspal wrote for The Conversation: "Most Islamic scholars are in agreement that homosexuality is incompatible with Islamic theology.
"They tend to draw on the story of Lot in the Koran [also in the Old Testament] which recounts the destruction of the tribe of Lot allegedly due to their engagement in homosexual acts as 'evidence' for God's condemnation of homosexuality.
"Many scholars also cite the Ahadith [statements attributed to the Prophet Muhammed] that are condemnatory of homosexuality."
But not everyone agrees with these scholars.
La Trobe university lecturer Yassir Morsi said there have been "massive debates in the community" about a "Muslim position" on same-sex marriage.
"Our debates reflects broader society's contests between queer activists and conservatives, as well as dealing with the added pressure of how to navigate Islamophobia," he said.
Sydney lawyer Lydia Shelly dismissed Mr Kadri's suggestion that the Muslim community is scared of offending the left.
She claimed the debate is a lot more nuanced.
"Firstly, Muslim communities react with varying degrees with respect to homosexuality," she said.
"There are many, many gay Muslims — some whom practice, some who do not.
"The issue of same-sex marriage and the support of it varies depending on age, class and nationality."
Four woman in headscarfs pray with their backs to the camera. PHOTO: Many LGBTI Muslims live in fear of violence from family members, according to some experts. (ABC News: Briana Shepherd) But Ms Shelly said the reason around the relative silence on same-sex marriage is simple: power.
"The biggest reason why we don't vocally contribute to the public 'debate' is not only is it harmful to our same-sex attracted brothers and sisters, but because Australian Muslims hold no power in this debate," she said. "Whether the Yes or No campaign is successful depends on the power of politicians and that is it.
"It would be an illusion to believe otherwise and that we, as Muslims, hold the power to influence that decision.
"Further, why would we be part of a 'debate', which is not a debate but a thinly veiled hate campaign, that is incredibly harmful to the LGBTQI community?
"That is the biggest reason that keeps popping up with my colleagues and I."
The politics of same-sex marriage
A side-on shot of two women wearing wedding outfits embracing and kissing. It has dominated political debate for the past week, but are gay people any closer to being able to get married? Yet the question of Safe Schools education does not bother her at all.
"There are many of us who, whilst believing that the act of homosexuality is forbidden, understand that we cannot judge someone and that the issue of religion is separate from the civil laws that should be passed to ensure equality before the law," she said.
"The majority of people who object to the Safe Schools program have no understanding of what is actually taught and could distinguish between hyperbole and fact.
"Education on consent, safe sex and healthy relationships shouldn't be viewed as controversial."
'Many gay Muslims live in fear'
Mr Ali said he is aware that his views are in the minority in the Muslim community, and that a lot of LGBTI Muslims struggle to find a place in their community of faith.
Many live in fear, he said, and have to "endure violence from their families".
Australia's first — and only — openly gay imam, Melbourne's Nur Warsame, received death threats after coming out and establishing an LGBT friendly mosque.
He recently told the ABC: "I want to be known as an independent Imam who is sympathetic.
"My calling in this lifetime is to help young, gay Muslims who have been traumatised by the Muslim leaders in Australia."
Silent? No, they are busy throwing homosexuals off rooftops. Likely waiting to do same here.
>>we can’t be friendly with the conservatives because they have been bashing us for 15, 20 years every chance they get
Turning four airliners into cruise missiles 16 years ago is the reason for the “bashing”.
Because they’re at least smart enough to know that when your enemy is destroying itself you let it?
What do I win?
Because they know the Left is their friend. They know that, given the chance, the Left will give them ample opportunity to implement their jihad in America. Once the Muslims have the upper hand, then they'll do whatever they want. In the meantime, they'll bide their time.
But they are in for a surprise because the Right is going to ram Global Islamic Supremacy and jihad down their throats and send them running back deep into their caves. After that, it will be awhile before we hear from them again.
I think it's the other way around. After the Muslims are done using them they will destroy the left, particularly the LGERBILQ.
Cause they realize it’s helping destroy our society, not theirs.
You got it backwards.
Muslims are happy with non-breeding locals. A few generations and they’ll kill whatever is left and sell of their women as whores.
Muzzies know about them. Their alliance with the left prevents them from saying anything. They can wait. When they acquire power they know where to find them.
The Eiffel tower, the empire state building, the Prudential, all will be good places to hurl them to the ground.
It’s the opposite.
I hope so, and I hope the word gets around that the left will use them when convenient, and spit them out when convenient. For the left, it’s about political convenience.
The left is not their friend. The left is going to pulverize them, when they are done with them.
Really?! How is such a plan going to be implemented and who will start? How many lines in the sand are needed before this takes place, if ever?
So many talk a good game, but we are watching the systematic loss of freedoms at a pace that keeps the Right from doing a damn thing about it.
You mean like in most of western Europe and the UK? Yeah, that's working out real well across the pond! /s
No, the left is WAY stronger than Islam. The West/Christianity defeated Islam in 1571. The left had brought Western Culture and Christianity to it’s knees in a little over 100 year. Islam is only being used as a weapon and a distraction.
BTW, According to Liberals “Christians are just as bad as Muslims.” They are killing homosexuals, too. Oh, wait!....
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
Only in reverse.
Are you saying mooslims support fag marriage?
No, it’s already helping destroy theirs, which will escalate once Christians etc. are out of their way.
Once the left goes after Islam, it won’t exist for a few generations. You are falling into the left’s trap.
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