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Inside Trump's head-scratching deal with "Chuck and Nancy"
Axios ^ | 9/7/17 | Mike Allen

Posted on 09/07/2017 7:54:51 AM PDT by 198ml

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To: SaxxonWoods
There is no debt ceiling in reality.

It is a show for the tax payer to pretend the Government has a real budget.

41 posted on 09/07/2017 9:00:28 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: wny
Many trumpsters drank the Donald’s Kool-Aid

I for one continue to drink deeply the refreshing Kool-Aid of pro-America policies and trust the president to get the big things right (strong military, protecting the border, strengthening the economy, protecting the constitution with good judges). He's proven in the first 6 months that he's not a go-along-get-along Republican, but a pragmatist, populist, nationalist (in the best sense of the word), and ultimately a conservative in all the ways that matter.

42 posted on 09/07/2017 9:01:43 AM PDT by scottinoc
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To: 198ml
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43 posted on 09/07/2017 9:04:56 AM PDT by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: BRL

You’re exactly right. This is the modern day equivalent to the Roman senate stabbing the sh!+ out of Julius Caesar. Trump simply outmaneuvered these RINO ass-clowns.


44 posted on 09/07/2017 9:07:10 AM PDT by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: tennmountainman

Thanks - supposedly Ryan is going to have dinner with Trump. Given the majority and no filibuster, there is absolutely NO REASON that any conservative legislation should struggle in the House, given the huge Republican majority (47 seats).

I still remember in the late 1990s, the Republicans had a 12 seat majority, yet passed conservative bill after bill.

What’s going on now is by design, design to undercut Trump. Hopefully Trump just put an end to it.


45 posted on 09/07/2017 9:08:40 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: BobL

I remember when Reagan had a GOP senate and a large majority
RAT house.
Reagan steamrolled Tip O’Neil and the RATs over and over again.


46 posted on 09/07/2017 9:11:55 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small fee.)
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To: 198ml

Trump’s action was aimed directly at McConnell. If McConnell isn’t going to ditch the current filibuster rule, as Trump has specifically requested, then nothing is going to get done without Schumer’s assent.

So, might as well deal with the guy who holds the cards, right?

Of course, Schumer’s only holding that Trump card (pun absolutely intended) because of McConnell’s stubborn refusal to drop the filibuster rule and start getting Trump’s agenda passed, so now it’s up to McConnell to take it out of Schumer’s hands.

Will he do it? On the record so far, that’s doubtful.


47 posted on 09/07/2017 9:13:21 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: wny

It was never my expectation that he was going to be a true blue conservative. I had always only expected to get 50% out of him. But my expectations of Jeb and Rubio and Kasich where that I would be perpetually to stabbed in the back. Pulling out of the Paris Accord pretty allows him a lot of mistakes in my book. No Republican and no Democrat would have pulled out


48 posted on 09/07/2017 9:14:43 AM PDT by BRL
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To: BobL

>>Given the majority and no filibuster, there is absolutely NO REASON that any conservative legislation should struggle in the House...<<

You’re wrong, for one very big reason. Any bill the House passes also has to pass the Senate to become law. And as long as McConnell stays with the filibuster, Schumer runs the Senate.

So Ryan has been forced, so far, to tailor bills so that they can be passed under the reconciliation procedure, i.e., with 51 votes. But that procedure prevents him from drafting many conservative positions because they don’t qualify under reconciliation. And doing that costs some conservative votes. That’s exactly why a clean repeal Obamacare bill hasn’t happened. It doesn’t qualify under reconciliation, nor do many other conservative health insurance proposals.

Which is exactly why I think Trump’s latest gambit is aimed directly at McConnell and his “shoot yourself in the foot” filibuster nonsense.


49 posted on 09/07/2017 9:18:22 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: 198ml
Total BS indeed. Here's the way I see it. Trump has gotten no assurances or help from the Republican leadership in the house or senate on implementing what the American people want him to do. He's done all he can with executive orders and regulations. Outstanding. But legislatively the Republican leadership has decided they know best.

So Trump see's they ain't gonna do a thing. AND he see's their plan is to blame the inaction on him. So he's basically said "Screw you. I'm going to get re-elected...my base has my back for the most part. So I'm going to SHOW that I can work with people EVEN if it means screwing Republicans."

Look at what changed recently. Key Dems came out against Antifa. Key dems have been somewhat conciliatory toward Trump. Leaks have virtually stopped. I think Trump knows he's going to get re-elected no matter what. He knows that the Republicans aren't going to help him legislatively at all. So he's now going after Dem voters.

What's clear to Trump is that the AMERICAN people want what he campaigned on. If the Republicans won't do it he'll work the the Democrats. If neither will do it then he just has to wait through a few election cycles.

50 posted on 09/07/2017 9:22:31 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: scottinoc; wny

Excellent response.

And of course “crickets” from wny after he dumped his steaming pile - and left the thread.


51 posted on 09/07/2017 9:25:02 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: wny

Trump is a liberal and life long Democrat? Where did you get that? Who did you support during the election? Boosh? Clinton?


52 posted on 09/07/2017 9:26:41 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: jonno
And of course “crickets” from wny after he dumped his steaming pile - and left the thread.

It's amazing how these anti Trump people will roll down their window, drop some asinine comment, and then haul azz for the tall grass.

53 posted on 09/07/2017 9:29:47 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 198ml

PRESIDENT TRUMP finally got legislation past the obstructionist GOPe. They had planned to spend the rest of their do-nothing session debating an imaginary debt ceiling instead of putting their efforts into passing meaningful legislation on the budget, taxes, and healthcare.


54 posted on 09/07/2017 9:32:52 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: Norseman

“You’re wrong, for one very big reason. Any bill the House passes also has to pass the Senate to become law.”

The last time that I checked there was nothing that prevented the House from passing legislation, regardless of what the Senate wanted to do with it.

In fact, there’s a process called a “conference committee” where both houses of Congress pass differing bills and then they get reconciled and then voted on as a single bill.

But you never get to conference committee, you never even get to a filibuster (and then the opportunity to kill the filibuster), if the House just throws up its hands because a Senator from New York doesn’t like his legislation.

If the House had the leadership it had 18 years ago, we’d be CHEERING those leaders, regardless of how the Senate acted.


55 posted on 09/07/2017 9:36:12 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: davidb56

“Munchkin is a rino.”

I wonder who picked Munchkin...


56 posted on 09/07/2017 9:37:38 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: PeteePie

Trump simply outmaneuvered these RINO ass-clowns.

WWE Hall of Fame, baby.


57 posted on 09/07/2017 9:39:34 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: dragnet2

Being that he’s never Trumper, I’m going to guess that he was “with her”.


58 posted on 09/07/2017 10:03:16 AM PDT by stratboy
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To: wny

“Many trumpsters drank the Donald’s kool-aid.”

No way- it’s the exact opposite.

For decades, conservatives drank the GOP Kool-Aid. So dumb, so gullible. The GOP has always talked about free market, smaller government and cutting spending, taxes and regulations in order to get elected, but it’s all lies.

They play this game in congress where they work out behind closed doors which of them can vote against a spending bill, against raising the debt ceiling, against a new tax, regulation or entitlement - and still make sure it gets passed!

It’s all for show - they’re even called “show votes”. There are usually enough Republicans with safe seats who can afford to vote with the Dems and make sure the leftist agenda is carried out, while the Republicans facing a tough primary challenge are permitted to vote conservative so they can go back and tell the voters at home how conservative they are. It’s all rigged - they’re mostly swamp creatures.

Except for Trump, who you are calling a Democrat!

Trump is the most genuine conservative we’ve had as POTUS since Calvin Coolidge, and that includes RR.

Reagan was far better than Trump at promoting conservative principles and I liked it when he called the USSR an evil empire and when he fired the air traffic controllers - but Trump usually does something like that every day before breakfast.

All those 18 republican candidates he ran against in the primaries, he beat them by going to the right of them not the left, Ted Cruz who was supposed to be the true conservative. Then, everyone said Trump will now shift his platform to the center for the general election, like every republican. Instead he doubled down and went full conservative.

Now, fast forward to present day; the GOP’s favorite “show vote” of all time is when they make a big show about voting against raising the debt ceiling. It’s all for show - obviously the debt ceiling will get raised, they are just using the issue to pad their “conservative credentials” - all Trump did was ruin their little Kabuki theatre.

I say, good for him. Why should he let these GOPe fakers put on this farcical show vote each year just to fool conservative voters? I’m glad Trump short circuited the whole charade and blew their cover.

Trump supporters aren’t the ones drinking the Kool-Aid here.


59 posted on 09/07/2017 11:54:43 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: 198ml

rump Goes Left | The Andrew Klavan Show Ep. 377:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnpUyYtXM_U

Months ago, I told you that if O’Care reform failed, Trump would deal with Democrats. Today, I’ll tell you what’ll happen next. Plus Victor Davis Hanson joins us to discuss history and today.


60 posted on 09/07/2017 12:00:39 PM PDT by Valin
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