Posted on 09/07/2017 7:54:51 AM PDT by 198ml
And the fact that liberals the world over are celebrating (”Pelosi and Schumer went in their and mopped the floor with that amateur Trump!”) doesn’t bother you guys ONE bit ...
I 1000% agree w/ you on the GOP “conservative” lie. And Trump is a manifestation of that to the T. What exactly makes Trump “conservative”? Cutting down regulations — OK, awesome. But what other than that? Specifics, please.
“One senior GOP official, summing up the day: “He f——d us.””
he’s wrong; Trump merely f——d ‘em back.
“And the fact that liberals the world over are celebrating (”Pelosi and Schumer went in their and mopped the floor with that amateur Trump!”) doesn’t bother you guys ONE bit ...”
nope. not one little bit. since when have the leftists and their lapdog enemedia understood or reported a single thing correctly during the last 18 months?
“They had planned to spend the rest of their do-nothing session debating an imaginary debt ceiling instead of putting their efforts into passing meaningful legislation on the budget, taxes, and healthcare.”
excellent point. debt ceiling fights are meaningless. now that that is handled for a while, the GOP scum will be forced to pretend like they are doing something else meaningful.
I actually hate the GOP worse than the Dems, because the Dems are at least doing what they say they’re gonna do, while the GOP PRETENDS they’re gonna do conservative things but NEVER do. After all, whose worse: known enemies or “friends” who stab you in the back?
I LOVE the fact that Trump cut their knees out from underneath them. THAT is how you play power politics!
OK, how about the fact that there were 17 “NO” votes on it today — all Republicans. Meaning ... EVERY Democrat unanimously gave the thumbs up on Trump’s deal. (But now you think Dems are awesome and rational, huh?)
“What exactly makes Trump “conservative”?”
Good question.
And by the way, I’m not surprised people ask it.
1) Trump didn’t have a long political “record” like most life long politicians.
2) As a businessman, particularly in real estate development, he was often called upon to to schmooze, litigate, advise, and/or grease the palms of politicians.
3) As a billionaire and a TV personality he was a celebrity, and thus a target rich host for the parasitic media.
4) As a white privileged, male, one percenter, running as a Republican after the Bushes and Romney, Trump had a toxic “meme” to distance himself from.
5) Trump is a doer more than a talker. He is pragmatic more than philosophic. He doesn’t speak in terms of academic principles.
No wonder his political philosophy is somewhat obscured.
Beyond the particulars of Trump, there is the leftist proclivity to lie about themselves and their enemies. The entire leftist, Marxist agenda of wealth redistribution is based on lies. Lies about what is fair, what is equality, what is cause, what is effect, what are the problems, what are the solutions, and what has transpired, who is to blame.
But to answer your question....,
...pre-Trump, my measuring stick for “conservatism” used to be who promised to cut government spending and taxes, and get government off our backs. Reagan seemed sincere... but I think we’ve been played. Not Reagan’s fault, but he wasn’t allowed to reduce taxes unless he could “pay for the tax cuts”. Typical tortured leftist logic enforced by the fake news. But it worked. The government grew as much under republican administrations as under democrat administrations.
Post Trump, my measuring stick is a little different. It has to do with willingness to fight and call out evil for what it is. Trump has picked a fight with the media and the left, “the swamp”. No other president has dared to do that in modern times.
I don’t know how it will turn out, but this is a fight that must not be avoided out of political correctness if we are to shrink the government (which is the essence of conservatism). Trump is conservative because he is willing to fight this political correctness fight. They call him all manner of disgusting names and he doesn’t quit.
If he quits fighting, as some keep predicting, then you’re right - he’s not a conservative. But if he hangs in and faces down the left and the media - the way I think he will - I can’t imagine anything more “conservative”.
He’s got to drain the swamp to be a true conservative. Maybe he won’t succeed, but we’ve never seen anyone try like this.
So basically he’s a “conservative” because he’s not politically correct and ... and, that’s it. Next question: HOW is he draining the swamp? Yea he’s fired a few, but they’re the very same establishment RINO hacks HE hired in the first place. His entire Cabinet consists of swamp dwellers (and very left-leaning folk, like McMaster and Mattis. And let’s not pretend Ivanka and Jared don’t have a huge influence).
“OK, how about the fact that there were 17 “NO” votes on it today — all Republicans. Meaning ... EVERY Democrat unanimously gave the thumbs up on Trump’s deal.”
Well, DUH! GOP votes against Trump are why he did a deal in the first place. Paul Ryan and his GOPe/RINO/Neocon brotherhood are pieces of shit.
I actually hate the GOP worse than the Dems, because the Dems are at least doing what they say they’re gonna do, while the GOP PRETENDS they’re gonna do conservative things but NEVER do. After all, who’s worse: known enemies or “friends” who stab you in the back?
I LOVE the fact that Trump cut their knees out from underneath them. THAT is how you play power politics!
You “win” by doing everything your supposed enemies want and campaign for?
>>The last time that I checked there was nothing that prevented the House from passing legislation, regardless of what the Senate wanted to do with it.<<
Which is exactly what the House did with health insurance. And then the Senate failed to act.
But my main point is that the House, to have any chance of getting a bill through the Senate, has to consider the Senate filibuster and structure its bill so that it will fall under the Senate reconciliation procedure. That generally results in a less than optimal bill, from a conservative perspective.
Also, if you check I think you’ll find that the House has sent over a hundred bills to the Senate this year, most of which are waiting on Senate action. I could be wrong in that regard, but I read earlier that it was nearly 200 bills. But you don’t hear that with all the RINO RINO RINO yelling in here. Again, the problem is the Senate filibuster, i.e., the problem is Senator McConnell. Focus your ire on him. If every Republican did exactly that, he’d have to come around.
“So basically he’s a “conservative” because he’s not politically correct and ... and, that’s it. Next..”
Yes! You figured it out...
Hmm, another completely honest question: What are your feelings on David Duke and your avg “Unite the Right” attendee/group?
“What are your feelings on David Duke and your avg “Unite the Right” attendee/group?”
I’ve never done any research on DD or Unite the Right or white supremacy in general.
When I hear people or groups referred to as “white supremacists”, I assume it’s one of several scenarios (but I don’t always know which!)
1) It is very likely to be a totally false accusation by the left to smear and discredit a conservative group or individual. The leftist fake news media does this all the time. Leftist politicians use this smear in every election - and there doesn’t need to be a shred of truth to make it stick. All they need to do is say Trump didn’t “disavow” David Duke fast enough or often enough - total fake news.
2) It might be a totally accurate description; the group or individual may actually believe that whites are superior and that whites should be in charge. For all I know, David Duke falls into this catagory - I know there are people who believe whites are superior - like I said I never really researched it. I think it’s anti-social and obnoxious to go around saying one race is superior to another. But I assume it’s a tiny fraction of a percent, so I never really took it seriously.
3) It might be a grey area; the group or individual might believe for example that white peoples’ culture and values are under attack and that white people need to stand up and assert themselves, be proud of who they are, or they will be eclipsed, and go the way of the dodo bird. I feel like I ought to be able to say I’m glad I’m white, be attracted to and marry a white woman - is it racist to have a racial preference? There are a lot of grey areas, which is why we have the first amendment.
My opinion is that any real white supremacy movement in this country is miniscule and irrelevant - the only reason the subject of “white supremacy” makes it into the headlines is because the left has found it to be an effective strategy to smear conservatives by creating a false association between “right wing extremists” and conservatism. They use it to peddle fear and make conservatism out to be a threat to people of color.
OK, fair enough. That’s good to know. I do believe, however, that ant POTUS should disavow any said groups that are a tremeeendous focus of the Left and MSM. What does it say when you’re not willing to take 30 secs to condemn a group, when you know for a FACT that will only lead to countless more conversations and accusations of giving tacit consent to said groups? But again, I find your answer encouraging.
“....POTUS should disavow any said groups that are a tremeeendous focus of the Left and MSM.”
Unfortunately, what you are advocating is political capitulation, which Republicans have been doing for far, far too long.
The Left believes in government enforced wealth redistribution, and rejects free enterprise and individual property ownership rights, which are at the heart of our economic system and our justice system.
The Left can’t win this age old debate on the merits, here in America or anywhere else. So, Karl Marx developed a clever narrative called Marxism, which infiltrates our culture through education, art, media and even religion. The object is to make people feel guilty for winning in life. Instead of feeling proud and fulfilled for prospering through a life of hard work, competition, sacrifice and productivity, one should feel guilty for earning more than someone else.
This narrative starts with the concept of economic divisions or ‘classes’, and the suggestion that the difference between poor class and the rich class is not hard work, sacrifice or productivity, but rather greed, hate, and suppression.
The language of this Marxist narrative is “political correct speech” and the enforcers are the leftist university professors, the Hollywood celebrities and the MSM. They preach the gospel that any wealth is the ill gotten gains of racism and oppression. They are hypocrites who don’t live by their own creed, and they don’t really wish to equalize wealth - their true agenda is to use the charge of “racist!” as a weapon to gain political power.
The favorite trick of the Left is to publicly challenge their political opponent to disavow racism, and no amount of disavowing is enough - the challenge is repeated until the opponent basically apologizes for not disavowing often enough, soon enough.
This apology is what they are after. They get the Republican to apologize - which is tantamount to an admission of guilt. Once the Republican makes this forced public confession that they are racist, or that they are the benifit of white privilege - the Marxist has won - the argument for free enterprise falls apart.
Trump should not capitulate to political correctness police, like all the weak Republicans. It’s like making a forced apology. It’s like admitting wealth is not earned, not owned by those that earned it, that it should be redistributed as the government sees fit.
Given Trump's succesful denouncement of pc in his debate reply to megyn the meager maggot kelly, the vegas odds of Trump capitulating to pc are 1000-to-1.
Why did you do the uniparty thing and question only the unite the right and ignore antifa?
Also, you seem to be stuck in the antiquated age of conservative versus liberal when we are now in the age of glibalists versus nationalist, and you are siding with the globalists.
“Glibalist”? My botched smartphone typing may have resulted in a new verbal putdown of the glib globalist: the glibalist!
If the dems win back the house, Pelosi will impeach him. She and chuckie and the dem base have no loyalty to trump, and this deal means nothing to them.
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