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Posted on 09/08/2017 2:44:35 AM PDT by Ennis85
Australians bending the knee to big government and the nanny state. Quite pathetic. I did not know their culture has become spineless and rotten with libtardism.
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How many terrorists & gangsters turned in their guns?
Crims are crims, and cops are hours away when seconds matter.
So, with all of that space out there, why not just quietly bury them? Go dig them up in a pinch. Trusting governments to do the right thing has been proven foolish so many times throughout human history.
Are you sure you would not be more comfortable on Democratic Underground website? People here are not usually that stupid.
Australia is as good gone.
As Are
UK
France
Italy
Holland
Sweden
The BBC is being a bit misleading with their reporting.
While 26,000 firearms have been “turned-in”, that does not mean that 26,000 firearms were destroyed.
In this amnesty, people can “turn-in” firearms to be legally registered, if they have a license; or they can turn them in to be sold by a gun shop.
Of the guns “turned-in” in the first half of the amenesty in New South Wales (6,400) 4,000 were registered. The BBC does not mention firearms that were registered under the amnesty. It seems likely they simply included them as part of the number “turned-in”.
It may be that 60% of those “turned-in” were just registered to legal owners.
Here is an article that gives a different perspective.
Of 6400 guns involved in the first half of the amnesty in New South Wales, 4000 were legally registered, not destroyed.
We are loaded with wetbacks, plus every race except those who founded/discovered and built America. The damn products we get from China are junk. They are getting more like 1950’s Jap trinkets.
Fools and their freedom are soon departed.
It's not so much about 'reducing terrorism' as it is about making it more difficult for those who would engage in terrorism to get the weapons they are using.
Let's look at two recent cases, and maybe it will make things clearer.
Australia has been lucky enough (and I think a lot of it is luck) to have avoided serious terrorist activity on our own soil. A significant number of plots have been identified and stopped before they happened. But there have been a couple of incidents involving firearms, and I'm just going to briefly look at two of those.
The first of these attracted a fair amount of international media coverage - the 2014 "Lindt Siege". A man named Man Haron Monis took hostages in a coffee shop in central Sydney and made the hostages display an Islamic flag. He eventually shot and killed one of the hostages (a second was killed by a police bullet ricocheting when police moved in the wake of the first shooting).
Monis was armed with a fifty year old Manufrance LaSalle 12-gauge pump-action shotgun. It's not clear exactly where he got it from, but it is very likely it was a firearm originally held by a legitimate owner that fell into criminal hands and was then sold to Monis by other criminals.
The second case I will talk about is more recent - it happened only three months ago here in Melbourne. A man named Yacqub Khayre murdered a hotel receptionist and then held a prostitute hostage. There is some debate as to his precise motive but he was a radicalised Islamist and one likely scenario is he was trying to lure police into an ambush - he did, in fact, shoot police but luckily their body armour protected them from serious harm.
What was his weapon? Again, a shotgun. This case is still under investigation, so all the details aren't out there yet, but it does seem, again in this case, the shotgun was a previously legally held weapon that had fallen into the hands of the criminal community and was sold to him by a small time criminal.
The point is, this is a pattern we are seeing in Australia. Would be terrorists are not finding it easy to get guns (serious organised criminals who are part of the underworld don't find it difficult at all, but these terrorists aren't part of that community) and what they are getting when they do tends to be basic hunting style weapons that were once held by legitimate owners, and which have fallen off the radar. And that's why trying to get those guns out of the community can reasonably be seen as a good thing to do. It's not about taking weapons away from law abiding citizens who are still using them.
Are you saying that there are fewer weapons for the bad guys to steal to be used in terror activity? If that’s your argument, it seems to fall flat because there are still 3.5 million privately owned weapons in the country.
Yes, but the majority of those weapons are in the hands of responsible people who are keeping track of them and who are accountable for them. They are rarely stolen. The weapons that tend to wind up in the hands of criminals are ones that are no longer being actively looked after and so they are easier to steal.
Australia obviously has a lot of coastline and I wouldn’t think it would be that hard for terrorists to smuggle auto weapons and ammunition ashore. So taking 26,000 weapon shots out of circulation really doesn’t do a thing to prevent or reduce the likelihood of terrorism, does it?
We have a lot of coastline, but except for the north coast (which is largely uninhabited desert or jungle with only a small number of settlements), most of that coastline abuts oceans where smugglers would have to travel thousands of miles across open sea - you can't really do it in cabin cruiser. Smuggling stuff into Australia by sea isn't that easy because of the amount of water, not because of the amount of coast. And as I've pointed out above, what terrorists have actually used here is basic shotguns. They're not smuggling in semi-autos or anything like that. A really organised group could manage it, but most of what we are dealing with is small local groups of radicals without much in the way of actual overseas connections to help them.
Hardly the first time that has happened.
Of the guns “turned-in” in the first half of the amenesty in New South Wales (6,400) 4,000 were registered. The BBC does not mention firearms that were registered under the amnesty. It seems likely they simply included them as part of the number “turned-in”.
I'm glad, but I'm honestly surprised the number is that high. The registration process is bureaucratic enough that I didn't think that many people would bother. Glad to hear it though.
I hope to sharpen that number.
Perhaps someone at the firearms registry will be willing to inform me of the ratio.
I derived the 4000 number from a report that 2,600 were turned in to police and thousands registered, with a report that 6,400 had been involved in the amnesty. Both reports were in NSW within a few days of each other.
3,800 would have been more precise, but the entire subject is imprecise.
Thanks for your insights. Very informative.
If firearms are not available, expect them to resort to cars, trucks, knives, hatchets, bats, pipes, etc like throughout the rest of the world. No?
The simplest and best approach is keep them out of our countries in the first place.
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