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To: metmom
Laws about generation requirements vary state to state concerning healthcare facilities but Medicare/Medicaid has some minimal requirements nation wide. I'm a retired Maintenance Mechanic and worked in nursing homes. Maintenance in this context is maintaining and operating of the Electrical, HVAC, Plumbing, and Boiler Operations. An emergency generator in a healthcare facility is supposed to within 10 seconds start up upon power failure and transfer to the generator. Routine testing of that system is mandatory.

The generator may have done what it was designed to do but may not have ever been designed to handle the very large electrical load HVAC demands. I worked in a Tennessee 5 story 200 patient facility. We had a 200 amp generator. It would power lights and the emergency power receptacles, operate one of three elevators, power the kitchen and power the Boiler System, the phone system, Fire Alarm, and that was about it.

Poor design years ago can cause failures many years later. I'll give an example. Our facility had a generator and was supposed to be able to operate generator and boilers for almost two weeks from an underground fuel tank.

At some point in construction a cost cutting decision was made to use city utility water for the generator engines cooling system rather than a self contained radiator. Well one night the utility lost a \n entire substation which powered our building and as well powered the utilities pumping station for utility water. After about 30 minutes the engine tripped off on high temperature and there was no power for over 4 hours. You would think that would trigger a correction. Nope.

Here is a worse one. Same facility. The State Inspector Generals Office demanded a Sprinkler System {water not CO2} be placed in the Electrical Switchboard and Emergency Generator Room. We {the employees and our Boss} protested to no avail. This room had a 460 volt 2000 amp electrical system. The 2000 amp system needed because the HVAC Chiller pulled 1200-1400 amps on start up and about 300-350 amps for running once up to speed.

28 posted on 09/13/2017 3:03:12 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe
I read the article closer and can see why there was no air conditioning. If the utility looses a phase the A/C system can not operate. IIRC this is typically a 460 volt system three phase. It sounds like a Chill Water A/C system. A central chiller cools water which is pumped through a closed loop to air handlers where air blows across the coils. I doubt seriously their generator was designed for or used to power that system and that is a nation wide normal. The criminal part would possibly be a lack of seeking evacuation.

These type of systems will go down. If for example the unit tore up requiring a couple days repair there is a work around which is bringing in a flatbed tractor trailer with a portable chiller on it and hooking it up using the buildings electrical system and chill water loop. It takes 4-8 hours to connect such a system especially if it has not been done at the facility previously. You also have to allow for transport time as these type of units are limited and only in larger cities. Ours came out of Atlanta 4.5 hours away when we needed it. I think Miami also had one but under these conditions would be useless as it was an issue with power coming to the building. Under hurricane conditions I would expect a local utility would loose partial or all power. BTW local utilities are well aware of these facilities and their power demands and special requirements.

37 posted on 09/13/2017 9:46:59 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

mr. mm has done his share of engineering and the stupid things people do is sometimes beyond belief.


44 posted on 09/14/2017 4:53:14 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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