Posted on 10/05/2017 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
Hitchen’s law: ‘That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.’
Where’s the weenie, Joker, for this “fowl smell”?
This was not a stupid guy. I would bet he had a super IQ and thought this all out. People are acting like what he did was impossible.
First, he must have checked the place out. He had several days to do the load in of equipment. All he had to do was check in and have maybe one or two bags. Nothing suspicious. Then later, maybe when a lot of people are checking in or out, he slowly brings everything up one or two at a time.
Or get one of those big garment carts and take up several things in suit cases or athletic duffel bags. Long objects are just stood up in a reinforced garment bag.
In case they have very aggressive bellboys, most places have several doors on the sides and back for people parking in the back. Often, you can come in without even passing the desk. Walk it up one floor and then hop the elevator.
Hotel people generally aren't looking at what you bring in after you check in.
A high school kid could figure this out.
How do it know all of this? Experience. Nothing illegal.
As for the 72 minutes, the firing from the hotel stopped after about ten minutes or a bit more, probably when the shooter saw security exit the elevator on that floor. The shooter fired through the door and hit one of the two security guards at twelve minutes. As far as I've found anywhere, the burst just before the guards arrived is the last firing from the room on the 32nd floor. Are there sounds of gunfire from any other location past the twelve minute mark (or even ten minute mark)?
You're really looking at how many hits, lethal or not, there were in that ten minutes, not the full 72 minutes between the first shots and SWAT entering the room. Looking at only that ten minutes makes highly improbable that there was only a single shooter, at least with what we know of the weapons he used so far. Something belt fed and cranked up to 800 rpm or better with extra barrels available is a different story.
I do believe he had help and it's entirely possible there were one or more other shooters, maybe timing their fire to coincide with shooter within the hotel firing based on watching the video police know he was streaming to someone, somewhere. So far, though, no ballistics have been released and there haven't been any spent cases found anywhere around the scene that I've heard of.
I agree with the article point about multiple gunshot wounds on the same individual at the range from which the shooter fired. I don't see how that could happen with the shooter in the hotel on full auto which means if people were hit with multiple rounds, especially from the same weapon, then there would have to have been other shooters.
In fact, Hillary may have planted both her feet firmly in her mouth by coming out against silencers right away when there's, as of now, no proof they were used. Maybe those other shooters were a lot closer and some of them used silencers, something someone familiar with a plan for such a mass shooting would know before they knew whether any suggested use of silencers was mentioned by the police or witnesses.
JMHo, ramblings, and so on.
If they falsely named an accomplice, they’ll be out of business.
Security camera like would have to be cut. Not buying the jamming either.
This is where the Phoenix sheriff who is making these public statements comes across as less than impressive.
1. I don't think the guy needed a super IQ to plan or execute any of this.
2. I sure don't think he did something all that difficult at all. Once you make up your mind that you're going to kill a lot of people at one time and you're willing to die in the process, the planning isn't all that hard.
3. If the report I read yesterday is true and Paddock actually intended to escape, then you can knock about 50 IQ points off your "super IQ" assessment of him because he sure didn't plan or execute that part very well at all. In fact, that comes across as someone who is either not very bright or is completely delusional.
Because shooting into a crowd of 20,000 people requires mad sniper skills.
The guy has 20,000 targets and 10 minutes. After the security guard and cops showed up at his door, he stopped shooting outward. At that point, he shot through his door, wounding the guard, then (reportedly, and I believe it) shot himself. After about the 10 minute mark, he no longer shot outside. In rough numbers, that means he hit 50 people per minute (almost one per second) during the 10 minutes he was shooting and killed one in ten of those he hit. Some of his shots (about 100 in one minute) were directed at a fuel tank, not even at people, so this seems plausible. The hit rate and the survival rate sound about right to me, given the availability of medical treatment.
Exactly. Anyone who has cleaned an AR-15 has separated the upper and lower (less than a one-minute job with essentially no tools needed). Those two parts fit in most suitcases. Smuggling a suitcase into a hotel room does not require a James Bond, not even a Jason Bourne. Smuggling a couple dozen suitcases in over a span of several days is just as easy.
The first point here about survivors claiming their friends had multiple wounds to the same body part is based on anecdotal information, and the author hasn't even considered the possibility that they are wrong. There's also the possibility that you had ricochets and fragmentation of rounds here as well.
The second point doesn't say anything, and it goes to one of the common errors you see with these analyses -- where it is assumed that multiple bullet strikes happened sequentially in rapid succession. With the rate of fire and duration of fire of this massacre, it's easy to envision a scenario where someone is shot once in place, then struck again multiple times while lying on the ground. This whole scene unfolded over 10+ minutes, not ten seconds.
There is no indication that he hit 500 people. There were 500+ people reported as injured, but that includes people who were trampled, fell, etc.
“we also have footage proving that it was indeed multiple shooters from different locations around the building”
We do? Tell, how many - three, four, five, six or maybe more...?
I call BS.
I think he's a planner but not good in the real world. His people skills were obviously limited. He probably thinks everyone else is stupid compared to him, so the police might not notice the broken windows the bullets were coming out of.
There was 12 minutes of shooting, and then the unarmed security guard tried to get into the room, that is when the shooter shot at the security guard.
And soon there after he shot himself.
It was another hour before the cops showed up to bomb the door. They took their time to be safe because the shooter had stopped shooting.
A lot of confusion on the time line. But the guy could have kept shooting for much longer, but he probably panicked when the security guy arrived.
Yes. A grown over weight man can get 1,000 lbs of gear to his room easy. They are called bell carts. I have routinely moved lots of heavy stiff into hotels and motels. All you need is cart or dolly.
There are many here that will not actually read the article, then continue to spout what they believe, relieving themselves from critical thinking on many issues.
Plus, in the immortal words of Mike Tyson’s ghost writer, “everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”
This guy probably had no real idea how physically demanding this was actually going to be on him. 60+ years old, firing multiple high-powered weapons at a high rate of fire, the room so filled with smoke it set off the fire alarms. He’d have been beaten up all to hell.
And maybe, just maybe, the reality of what he had just done finally hit him. Maybe he realized the atrocity he had just committed and in a moment of impulse, shot himself.
None of that precludes him having planned originally to escape. His suite was literally right next door to the stairwell, he had multiple cameras in the hallway. He had more ammunition and explosives in the car. Maybe he had a plan, but then he just got punched in the mouth.
I saw some holes in a metal building - iirc there were 3 or 4 tight together - like a few inches and almost touching. That seemed odd to me. I am not familiar with automatic weapons, but I figure even with such a high rate of fire the muzzle moves a bit after each round. Of course it would be even odder if 4 snipers were all shooting at that same indistinct spot on the building!
I like to keep an open mind but I don’t buy this. If there were multiple shooters tasked with creating panic you don’t need to shoot any victim more than once even if you could. The shooter was just raining bullets down from above.
His case is based on the high degree of accuracy displayed at a massive distance. That’s his point. This wasn’t spray and pray.
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