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Please Stop With the Conspiracy Theories Surrounding the Las Vegas Shooting
Townhall.com ^ | October 5, 2017 | Steve Sheldon

Posted on 10/05/2017 3:25:24 PM PDT by Kaslin

Too many rumors are swirling around regarding the tragedy in Vegas from Sunday night. Let me start by dispelling with some of the questions floating around on the internet:


1.  How did he get that many weapons into his room without being noticed?  

A: With a luggage cart and ten suitcases over 3 days.

2.  How did he fire off that many rounds without training?  

A: A monkey can pull a trigger; and, who says he didn't have practice?

3. How was he able to kill that many people in such a short time?  

A: He had 11 minutes firing on near full-auto (using a bump fire device) into a crowd of people that had no idea where the fire was coming from.

4.  Why did he have so many weapons?  

A: First, he was a psychopath. Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said it best, "No Ma'am, I can't get into the mind of a psychopath at this point." 

Second, he probably thought he would be there for an extended period of time and perhaps thought he would heat up one or more guns. Maybe he wasn't good at changing magazines? Again, first answer is always a fit. Seriously, how can we apply reason to a psychopath?

5. How did he get his hands on fully automatic firearms?  

A: Investigation has determined that he had bump fire or slide fire devices on 12 of his firearms, which make them sound like a full-auto and operate much like a full-auto. They are approved by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and are easily available (until now).

6.  How was he able to remove a window with 800 pounds of hurricane glass without training? (I know, seriously, this was a question.) 

A: With a hammer.

7. How did he get up 32 floors with 400 pounds of equipment?  

A: With an elevator and luggage cart.

8.  What about the sounds of gunfire coming from other directions?  

A:  It was an echo. 

9. How does one man come to own $100K worth of weapons without being noticed?  

A: He was rich.  As far as what we know right now, all guns were purchased legally over a period of time from multiple vendors.  Every dealer and serious collector at a gun show has that many or more, and they are not psychopathic mass murderer candidates.

10: How is it possible that he killed/injured so many in such a short time...without training?

A:  He was able to fire uninhibited an unreported number of rounds into a massive crowd, where he couldn't miss hitting something. When we know more, it is likely that many of the injuries were not from gunfire but from the panic that ensued. However, considering the rate of fire and the mass of the crowd, it wouldn't be the least bit unreasonable to think that 50-70% of the bullets hit something.

11. What gun laws could have prevented this?  

A: None. He had no criminal background.

12. What about laws preventing mentally ill people from getting firearms?  

A: How does one accurately measure another's current mental stability or future propensity to become a psychopath among the group of every potential firearm purchaser?

13. What about the unidentified and unverified woman who told the crowd that a lot of people were going to die?  

Possible answers: 1. It is made up nonsense. 2. She was drunk.

14. What about the shots coming from other floors?  

A. Echoes, reflections of other things, reflections of the shooter across multiple reflective surfaces (Las Vegas is mostly glass)... 

Response questions:  Where in these locations was glass broken?  Where in these locations were reports of gunfire from adjacent rooms? (That's how the shooter was quickly located.) How did these mysterious shooters so quickly police up all their brass and keep the fire alarms from going off with all the smoke?

15. How did the shooter manage to record a video of himself?

A.  Ummmmm, I don't know, a tripod?

Finally, some questions for the conspiracy theorists.

How do hundreds of law enforcement officers secretly conspire to cover up evidence in one of the nation's worst modern massacres?  What would be their motivation? Would conspiracy advocates be satisfied when they see video evidence of the shooter by himself committing the act and ending it by putting a gun in his mouth?

I could go on, but you get the picture.  Please folks, stop with the conspiracy insanity and let the investigators do their jobs.  Seriously, just stop.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheory; grassyknoll; guncontrol; lasvegasshooting; magicbullets; yeaaaaaaaa
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To: dragnet2

Will we ever know?


161 posted on 10/05/2017 5:07:07 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Ann Archy

We’ve read a 1000 things in the rag papers.

Most eyewitness accounts are BS, I have seen it many times.

Let it play out, forensics will tell the tale if they release the report but I am telling you this guy was just some guy running on an open loop.
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162 posted on 10/05/2017 5:07:53 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Mears

The date was WRONG and the STATE was wrong!


163 posted on 10/05/2017 5:07:59 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Feminism DESTROYED females)
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To: Kaslin
8. What about the sounds of gunfire coming from other directions?

A: It was an echo.

Show me where it was echoing where the sound of the gun would bounce off a surface and go in the direction of the concert crowd. You can't say the left side of the hotel because the different shot sounds were 30 seconds to one minute apart and sound does not travel that slow....


165 posted on 10/05/2017 5:11:59 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Trump: Greatest POTUS of all time solely for preventing Satan taking office.)
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To: Kaslin
How did Flight 800 come to fall from the sky?

How did the video maker cause the debacle at Benghazi?

166 posted on 10/05/2017 5:13:59 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (proawakileftist)
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To: Kaslin

My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Paddock pass out at 31 Flavors earlier over the weekend. I guess that’s what made him go nuts..


167 posted on 10/05/2017 5:15:10 PM PDT by MaskedMan (The)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Click the following link and scroll down and it will show you
lots of articles showing 9 to 12 minutes firing.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=Las+vegas+shooter+fired+for+about+12+minutes&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004


169 posted on 10/05/2017 5:16:45 PM PDT by deport
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To: Meet the New Boss; All
The question I did not think handled well was about the woman declaring everyone was going to die. Of course she may have been just a drunk or some such, but it is not a conspiracy theory to want to follow up and make sure. Since we don't know his motives, we don't know how likely it was for somebody else to have known something or who to ask or where to look.
170 posted on 10/05/2017 5:17:08 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: CaptainCarrollton
...f he attacked because he was a nutcase who hated loud music, then it makes perfect sense.

Good point. Will add that to my mental list of possible motivations.

171 posted on 10/05/2017 5:19:14 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Meet the New Boss

If the lone psycho and explanation so simple why hasn’t President Trump made an official statement yet?

Because he’s not buying either or his people. And they are gathering facts. He was just at photo op with generals and stated: “This is the calm before the storm.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIU5j7DWoLY&feature=youtu.be


173 posted on 10/05/2017 5:20:59 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: deport

A valid question is why the 72 min response?
They had to know the exact location in moments as the fire alarm was going off from the gunfire in the room


174 posted on 10/05/2017 5:24:54 PM PDT by mylife
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To: smokingfrog

Work in construction and know the fire department does not like hurricane windows. They have a very hard time breaking them with a fire axe.


175 posted on 10/05/2017 5:25:39 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Maybe the Tropicana hotel which is to the right of the photo and is also tall, although it is not shown in that graphic, but is on the opposite side of the area shot at with walls slanted perpendicular to the direction of the rounds.


176 posted on 10/05/2017 5:26:23 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: MWestMom
Throw everything on the table, move it around, sort it, throw out the BS. I’m going to start with your posts.

In your case, I'm going to say that's a very wise choice...........


177 posted on 10/05/2017 5:27:59 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: cherry
THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY THAT SHOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY DISMISSED

That's absolutely right, cherry!

There are people, even here at FR, that are ready to jump over anyone that doesn't swallow the MSM or gubmint line.

Ever since that '67 memo from the CIA, they've been working hard to pejorize alternatives to such things as the Warren Commission's "magic bullet theory."

False flag events have accelerated in the past decades, even though they've been around far, far longer. Through those more recent events we can see the brazenness of what we thought was our elected government, that has actually fallen into the hands of influences that no longer listen to the citizenry for guidance. Those PTB have trolls that would demean and ridicule anyone that dares to diverge from the accepted narrative. Beware!

We're being trained by Leftists at every turn to rely increasingly on Big Government, which one would think should be rejected out of hand on an ostensibly Conservative site such as this, but certain influences nonetheless hold great sway, with their yes-minions that cheer on their Big-brotherly comments and insults to bold true Conservatives they only presume wear tin-foil hats.

Unlike some nattering nabobs of negativism, there are many true experts among FR commenters (more in the past than now, perhaps) and it's what most people come back here for, if my twenty years of FR observation mean anything. But any interaction with such people needs to be respectful and always in search of the truth, not a clash that insults or demeans knowledgeable input from well-meaning contributors.

If there's anything that rankles folks from the older generation, it's that society has picked up a coarse, terse vein of slams and ridicule that would attempt to stand in place of reasoned conversation and debate.

IMO, we need to let FR be a place where people can feel free to say what's on their minds, especially if they're trying to advance the conversation at hand. Even if some Conservatives need more practice in their exposition, let it be practiced here, among friends! Many in the world don't seem to value such things, but I believe we can keep FR a healthier place if we always keep moving forward toward the truth, not being satisfied, couch potatoes with what the gubmint would spoon-feed us, so they can ultimately dominate and enslave us.

178 posted on 10/05/2017 5:28:30 PM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)
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To: CaptainCarrollton

They claim the boys never knew dear old dad. LOL looks like they all sat up at nights dwelling on it

I say this is another case of crazy


179 posted on 10/05/2017 5:28:51 PM PDT by mylife
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To: smokingfrog
It would not be that easy to break “hurricane glass” with just a standard ball peen or carpenter’s hammer. You’d want to have a center punch or pointed chisel that could put a lot of pressure on a single-point with a fairly heavy-duty hammer (a small hand sledge at least). Shooting at the glass first and then breaking it out would probably work too, but I don’t think I’d want to try it from a very close distance.

As far as we know he failed at his first attempt. Maybe he went shopping for better tools to do it after the failure. But these details don't seem that relevant to me. The point is a person determined to do it could get it done.

180 posted on 10/05/2017 5:29:38 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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