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Reform of the Renewable Fuels Standard(NOT!)
americanthinker.com ^ | 11/6/2017 | Dale Leuck

Posted on 11/06/2017 6:36:47 AM PST by rktman

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, Senators Charles Grassley (R-IA), Joni Ernst (R-IA), and Deb Fisher (R-Neb) met October 17 to discuss the future of the Renewable Fuels Standard (RFS), which regulates the production of biofuels. At issue was whether the RFS might be lowered for 2018, as Administrator Pruitt suggested in recent months might be the case. But, on October 20, EPA officials announced the renewable fuel volumes for 2018 would be at or above what had been originally proposed, reversing the implication of statements made earlier in the year by Administrator Pruitt.

Such a decision matters because U.S. grain and oilseed prices are highly dependent. For example, 48 percent of the 2017 corn crop is anticipated for use in producing ethanol.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ethanol; lobby
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To: bigbob

WTH? Session is coming after folks for not using ethanol?


41 posted on 11/06/2017 7:33:38 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Ok?


42 posted on 11/06/2017 7:34:54 AM PST by Ambrosia ( Conservative Independent- southern as grits, lived all over, and so opinionated!)
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To: bigbob
It's all about you and your welfare queen buddies, Skippy.

It's OK for the feral government to pick winners and losers as long as you get yours.

43 posted on 11/06/2017 7:35:14 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: FreedomPoster

If it doesn’t exist then complain about it. I know several people in Atlanta, mostly in law enforcement since I had my credit card stolen there and it is run by Africans.


44 posted on 11/06/2017 7:36:27 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: FreedomPoster

lol


45 posted on 11/06/2017 7:36:56 AM PST by Ambrosia ( Conservative Independent- southern as grits, lived all over, and so opinionated!)
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To: rktman
Rough on old style plastic parts but engines are lasting longer than ever because designs take it into account - look at the Indy racers - engines take a serious beating like road vehicles will never see - not to mention dragsters with their Nitro Methanol. Ethanol and Methanol are a bit different but Ethanol combines with water (my biggest grievance about using it) and Methanol breaks down in water so it wouldn't be practical for regular distribution systems which all collect water in the tanks.

Would love to see it phased out but wonder why non-ethanol gas costs 15% more than the more expensive to make ethanol-laced crap.

46 posted on 11/06/2017 7:37:34 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: bigbob

LOL — In your first sentence of your post, tell me the difference between “requires” and “mandated use” other than semantics. All rent-seekers (and rent protectors) use similar language and tactics,


47 posted on 11/06/2017 7:47:43 AM PST by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: Red Badger
Imagine, if all that grain was used to feed hungry children..............

For decades the United States spent enormous sums of money trying to teach the rest of the world how to grow more food than they could possibly eat.

The world rejected all of our ideas.

Let the bastards starve to death.

48 posted on 11/06/2017 8:00:00 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
Where does one begin? Making ethanol from corn is very inefficient, sugar is much better. Why don't we use that?

I know of one gas station in my world (over an hour away) which carries no-ethanol gas. It is simply not readily supplied. Ethanol from corn is a scam that we continue to pay for.

49 posted on 11/06/2017 8:15:59 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Red Badger

And it hurts gas mileage!!


50 posted on 11/06/2017 8:18:02 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: phormer phrog phlyer

The cost of making ethanol from sugar crops was double the cost of ethanol from corn a few years ago. I doubt that has changed much.

Economic efficiency is different from chemical efficiency. Besides, fuel ethanol is a not a good substitute for petro products. Ethanol is good enough as fuel to be adapted in the real absence of petroleum, but it isn’t necessary now.


51 posted on 11/06/2017 8:27:41 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

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It’s all about you and your welfare queen buddies, Skippy.

It’s OK for the feral government to pick winners and losers as long as you get yours.
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It’s not Fascism when WE do it, comrade! They will still call themselves the biggest defenders of the Constitution, a (C), LOVE them some Capitalism and cock their heads wondering why you’re laughing on the floor.

Mandate != subsidy? But, you can still buy non-E (at greater price and scarcity)?! It’s for your own good (trust me, I’m from the govt and got this here govt paid research to prove it). Guess O’Care wasn’t good for the insurance companies *rolls eyes*


52 posted on 11/06/2017 8:34:25 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: phormer phrog phlyer

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Where does one begin? Making ethanol from corn is very inefficient, sugar is much better. Why don’t we use that?
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A: Because sugar is already heavily subsidized already? /semi-s

A: Sugar pandering doesn’t win Iowa?


53 posted on 11/06/2017 8:39:25 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: rktman

Well,that’s messed up! Why should the grain/ethanol lobby determine what’s best for the motoring public when the best evidence should exclude ethanol? If this stuff has to be subsidized,it shouldn’t be considered. If ethanol has to compete on a level playing field with straight gasoline,I don’t think think it competes. Seems like the people pushing this crap are purposely overlooking the situations where it should NOT ever be used. Who died & made them King?


54 posted on 11/06/2017 9:37:25 AM PST by oldtech
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To: trebb

Indy used methanol for a long time, much safer than gasoline. Watch the videos of the 1964 Indy 500 where Eddie Sachs and Dave McDonald were killed. One downside is the flames can be invisible.

A few years back ethanol sponsored a car, they have used it since.


55 posted on 11/06/2017 9:45:56 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Neoliberalnot
You don’t have to use it. There is gas without ethanol.

The nearest Pure Gas station is more than 30 miles from me.

Subsidizing corn growers for this bureaucratic boondoggle is not a conservative stance. It should stand or fall on its own merits, not at the point of government guns.

56 posted on 11/06/2017 9:53:51 AM PST by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: phormer phrog phlyer

I wouldn’t call 400 gallons per acre inefficient. Sugar is fine but when you use corn you get a high protein feed as a by product along with several others. If people want to use sugar, which by the way has a large subsidy, then have at it. Renewable fuel like ethanol has been around for many decades and the oil industry has fought it from the start. I understand they don’t want the competition, but adding ethanol makes gasoline cleaner burning and it is an octane booster. Should we return to leaded gasoline?


57 posted on 11/06/2017 10:27:38 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: OneVike

Yes, Trump does keep his word. Actually Cruz amd Trump are both damn good men, IMHO.


58 posted on 11/06/2017 10:30:38 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: zeugma

You don’t have to use it. I would be comfortable with ending all subsidies including subsidizing government. How bout oil industry subsidies, retirement subsidies, forcing business to pay 2/3 of you SS, and so goes the list of every major industry subsidies. End em all far as I’m concerned and let farmers withhold their products from the free market and see how urban America enjoys that.


59 posted on 11/06/2017 10:39:32 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Neoliberalnot
You don’t have to use it.

You keep saying that on this thread as if repetition will somehow make this true. Multiple people have, as I have pointed out that the nearest place to buy untainted fuel is more than 30 miles away. Yet you keep repeating what is essentially a lie to further your cause.

Additionally, many people have pointed out that it is a federal agency, namely the twits at the EPA that are forcing people to purchase adulterated products that lower the efficiency of their engines and can actively harm small motors..

You try to justify this intrusion into our lives by mentioning other suybsidies, as if somehow two wrongs make a right. Logic is obviously not a strong point with you. I'm all for ending all subsidies, and letting the free market actually work as intending without the government stepping in to assign winners and losers to the equation.

As you can see from this thread, most Freepers aren't as enamored at being on the governement teat as you apparently are.

60 posted on 11/06/2017 1:05:58 PM PST by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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