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Atheist Woman Sues To Remove "So Help Me God" From Oath
Newsweek ^ | November 4th, 2017 | Summer Meza

Posted on 11/06/2017 7:45:49 AM PST by LouieFisk

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To: Grampa Dave

“First and last question: Who is paying for the lawyer?”

One or more of the usual suspects, I’d venture to say.


41 posted on 11/06/2017 9:00:42 AM PST by LouieFisk
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To: LouieFisk
Perhaps a review of the founding history of the "oath" requirement is in order for current generations.

The oath of office required for representatives of "the People" was intended to be sacred and binding, because that oath is a vow before the "Sovereign" of the Universe, and its violation carries penalities both human and Divine. President George Washington described it in this manner:

"Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths?"

For an amazing history lesson and sermon by the Rev. Benjamin W. Arnett, readers might want to visit the Library of Congress and read the entire text of his Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon, paying special note to the excerpts below which discuss and describe the nature of the oath:

From the Library of Congress: African American Perspectives: Pamphlets from the Daniel A.P.Murray Collection, 1818-1907

Centennial Thanksgiving sermon,: delivered by Rev. B.W. Arnett, B.D., at St. Paul A.M.E. Church, Urbana, Ohio

CENTENNIAL THANKSGIVING SERMON

Excerpt from P. 31, in which he is discussing the Declaration of Independence:

"We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America in General Congress assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare: That these United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as Free and Independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, and in a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." - JOHN HANCOCK.

Arnett continues:

"And the names of the whole Congress followed. You see that there is Divinity in this immortal document. Can we find in the "Articles of Confederation" anything to support the position that the founders of this government intended that it should be a nation for God, and that his religion should have a place in this land. It says: "Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in Congress, to approve of and to authorize us to ratify the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual union." Thus we find this assembly thanking the Governor of the world for inclining the hearts of men. Who can move the hearts of men but God? But we find them in reverence bowing to the Governor of men.

"We now call your attention to the Constitution of the Nation and let us examine that instrument in the light of the men who formed it, and we will see that this was intended to be a Nation founded in Righteousness and Justice. What does the instrument say on this subject:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

"Article VI says: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall be required as a Qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

On Page 37, Rev. Arnett described the nature of "oaths and affirmations" as follows:

"Oaths and affirmations are appeals to God, by him who makes them, that what he has said, or what he shall say, is the truth. It is the most solemn form under which one can assert or pronounce anything, and its violation is a crime of the darkest hue; one which God has declared he will punish; one that is made infamous and punishable by fine and imprisonment, by the laws of the land. Thus Christian obligation is required of every officer of the general Government, who fills any position of trust, honor or emolument. Many reports are required in the form and shape of affidavits."

42 posted on 11/06/2017 9:14:47 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: LouieFisk

Michael Newdow on Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Newdow

And here’s his public domain information from Zabasearch:

http://www.zabasearch.com/people/michael+newdow/sacramento+ca/2793826296

Michael Newdow
7660 El Douro DR
Sacramento, CA 95831 (916) 424-2356

Note that he is a resident of Sacramento, California and be prepared for the media to try to pass him off as a resident of whatever locality they want in order to make it appear like he has standing in his various and noxious lawsuits.

I used to run into him when my mom and I lived near Rush River Dr. and Windbridge in Sacramento and he was a rude driver, he drives up on the sidewalk to make U-turns, and he was a jerk at the Bel Air grocery store always complaining about something. He’s a total idiot and I’m being generous.


43 posted on 11/06/2017 9:16:37 AM PST by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, Conservative by principle.)
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To: tflabo

“I shudder at the mentality of leftists losers who lose it all forever.”

Atheists are better understood when looking at the Crucifixion. Two others crucified with Christ, and one, even on deaths door, chose eternal death.


44 posted on 11/06/2017 9:39:55 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: LouieFisk

Go back to France, lady.


45 posted on 11/06/2017 9:45:53 AM PST by wastedyears (US out of the UN, UN out of the US.)
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To: LouieFisk

Micheal Newdow...idiot

Loser keeps popping up whenever this stupidity rears it’s head...


46 posted on 11/06/2017 9:57:12 AM PST by Popman (My sin was great, Your love was greater  What could separate us now…)
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To: LouieFisk

Effing low-life Frog! Buy her a one-way plane ticket back to France.


47 posted on 11/06/2017 10:11:00 AM PST by vette6387 (LOCK HER UP! COMEY TOO.)
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To: LouieFisk
Maybe Olga has not heard what the Founding Father's had to say about the subject.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

"Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society." George Washington

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin

"The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. . . All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible." Noah Webster

"Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof." Continental Congress 1778

"Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other." James Wilson (signer of the Constitution and U.S. Supreme Court Justice)

So...contrary to what some past presidents and other elected officials have said, the United States IS a Christian nation. The use of the word "God" in the oath and Pledge are just acknowledging the true source of our rights.

In the same way that you don't go to a theater if you don't like the movie, or to a restaurant if you don't like the food, maybe Olga should try to become a citizen of a country more to her liking.

48 posted on 11/06/2017 10:13:24 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: oh8eleven

The same @zzewhole.


49 posted on 11/06/2017 10:22:06 AM PST by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 87)
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To: henkster

Yes they are. And most of them don’t realize (to the extent that they even care) that atheism gives license for all sorts of terrible behavior such as mass killings.


50 posted on 11/06/2017 11:25:31 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: grobdriver

“So help me nothing” really just doesn’t have the same ring to it.


51 posted on 11/06/2017 11:44:16 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: reasonisfaith

“Yes they are. And most of them don’t realize (to the extent that they even care) that atheism gives license for all sorts of terrible behavior such as mass killings.”

...and Communism.


52 posted on 11/06/2017 11:44:24 AM PST by BobL ( I beat up McDonald's and Walmart because it makes me feel like a man.)
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To: LouieFisk

She is French, not American. She has no say.

If she doesn’t like our heritage, she can just not become a citizen.

So tired of this cr*pola.

I remember saying the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in school, hand over heart. Yeah, I’m just that old. Bet they don’t do that anymore, which is sad.


53 posted on 11/06/2017 11:44:48 AM PST by proud American in Canada ( I appear to have accidentally deleted my tagline. :()
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To: windsorknot
As a citizen she would enjoy unalienable rights that the Founders considered God-given

Yes, she wants to become a citizen, she might consider reading the Declaration of Independence.

The Founders were men of faith.

I really think she would be happier in France.

54 posted on 11/06/2017 11:48:52 AM PST by proud American in Canada ( I appear to have accidentally deleted my tagline. :()
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To: LouieFisk

The lawyer costs in cases like this have to be in the Billions of $’s per year.

I’m sure that you and I and other taxpayers pay these outrageous legal fees.


55 posted on 11/08/2017 9:10:18 AM PST by Grampa Dave (What, we have here, is a failure to communicate!)
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