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I'd rather see a civil war than see the country go down the dumper. Who wants to live in Venezuela, which is what this country would become if Liberals had their way? Unfortunately our downward spiral is being enabled by people who call themselves Republicans.
1 posted on 11/17/2017 11:36:11 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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… [Karl Marx] envisioned a regimented breed of Pavlovian men whose minds could be triggered into instant action by signals from their masters. He wanted a race of men who would no longer depend upon free will, morals, ethics or conscience for guidance. Perhaps without realizing it, Marx was setting out to create a race of human beings conditioned to think like criminals. …

— The Naked Communist, chapter 2
Once one realizes that liberals are this kind of human being, the picture of what we are up against becomes clearer.
2 posted on 11/17/2017 11:43:56 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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There is a much better solution than a second civil war . New England should be made part of canada. And California eastern Oregon and eastern Washington can form thier own country. Then those conservatives left in any blue areas can migrate as well as the blues to their people. Pick a solution 1 of these appears inevitable. I prefer the one without bloodshed.


3 posted on 11/17/2017 11:49:27 PM PST by Panhandle.deporable
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America is for Americans. Dems are anti-American.

Sterilize and deport it’s the only way to be sure.


4 posted on 11/17/2017 11:51:02 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America...Treat them accordingly.)
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We also then make Guam a state and tell Hawaii to do whatever they want. But we don’t want them


5 posted on 11/17/2017 11:51:57 PM PST by Panhandle.deporable
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Dunno

They don’t want guns.

We got guns....


7 posted on 11/17/2017 11:53:32 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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Unfortunately our downward spiral is being enabled by people who call themselves Republicans.

Yep. And while there is strong push-back by conservatives, the only thing that's going to stop liberals and progressives is lead. Anything less will be met with a middle finger.

8 posted on 11/17/2017 11:57:07 PM PST by CatOwner
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No, we do not anymore.
If this sharp division continues, I expect America will become quite a bit like Europe, but with a few common languages. Certain issues may united us sufficiently enough to keep the patriotism strong, such as wars or innovations from powerhouses such as Apple or some new version of General Motors, Tesla, but on a strict budget.


9 posted on 11/18/2017 12:00:32 AM PST by lee martell
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there is too big a canyon between "us" and "them"...

a lot of them don't have any values...none whatsoever..

10 posted on 11/18/2017 12:02:22 AM PST by cherry
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Our country has been divided between the anti-God and the Godly, the perverts and the traditional family.

63M deplorable, bitter clingers, as we are called
62M pervert, leftists

The 62M anti-God perverts have made it very clear they are more than willing to pass laws to throw the 63M deplorable, bitter clingers in jail.


11 posted on 11/18/2017 12:03:34 AM PST by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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Liberals and conservatives can work together.

Left wing and right wing ideologues can't.

13 posted on 11/18/2017 12:19:45 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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I have asked that question many times. The only real answer would be to try and divide up the country with states like California and New York going to the liberals and most of the central and southern states going to conservatives. Only problem is that in a few years all the liberal states would be broken down third world banana republics and all the liberals would try to invade the conservative states and take advantage of the great prosperity that they would generate. Basically we would have another Mexico on our hands. So it would only work with conservative states implementing real serious border control. I’m talking electric fences, minefields, crock filled moats, and an automatic death sentence for violators.


14 posted on 11/18/2017 12:26:53 AM PST by TonyM
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Only a return to GOD can heal this divided nation. Pray for a second GREAT AWAKENING!


17 posted on 11/18/2017 12:48:19 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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Anyone with half a brain knows the political pendulum swings from side to side. Obama was an over-reaction to Bush who the liberal media totally destroyed and who never defended himself or his positions - a wimp’s wimp. And, not a conservative, but a moderate at best.

So Obama came, and inspite of being protected and universally promoted by the media, and his successor Hillary being treated the same, the pendulum swing - and Trump was the right man in the right place at the right time.

Watch how the media and liberals are responding to Trump - While they hated Bush, they literally want to destroy Trump, see him dead.

Watch out how the pendulum will swing after Trump. We are likely to get an OPENLY Marxist Muslim as our next president who will make Obama seem like a moderate.

If this happens, it’s unlikely our nation will ever recover - without another revolution.


18 posted on 11/18/2017 12:49:26 AM PST by Arlis
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This is a question which has bothered me for a while. Our democratic Republic only works if both sides take the good will and intentions of the other for granted. We may disagree, but we both have the good of the country at heart.

Since the 70’s, I have seen a fundamental change. The left no longer assumes that we can honestly disagree but share the same goals. For a generation the “progressives” have instead assumed that their beliefs and feelings are self evidently correct. And therefore can be treated as fact and Truth. This implies that everyone actually agrees with them, since the Truth of their position is obvious. Therefore, if anyone, such as conservatives, does not go along with what they say they want, such persons must have ulterior motives, or be crazy, or evil, or both. This is what I see behind Trump Derangement Syndrome, and was the motivation for Bush Derangement Syndrome as well. I have seen this attitude in too many otherwise intelligent and well educated people that I know, even relatives and used-to-be-friends.

I do not know how our Republic, based on the consent of the governed, can survive without the common agreement to grant good faith and concurrence to the citizens who do not agree with us.

19 posted on 11/18/2017 1:14:15 AM PST by VietVet
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What any of us has in common is the flag. The National Football League has sought to destroy that and succeeded.


22 posted on 11/18/2017 1:48:47 AM PST by stanne
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No we don’t.


24 posted on 11/18/2017 2:03:49 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Liberalism is auto-immune disease.

In the past, ruling class viewed peons as tax base and cannon fodders. With liberal left, there is a new twist: peons are also lab rats. Endlessly experimented upon with the same flawed approach until they are all ruined.

26 posted on 11/18/2017 2:20:12 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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We can probably somehow muck our way into the future together but why?

Liberals have destroyed much of what bound us together and made us a nation and they are determined to destroy what remains.

For the best part of 100 years they have attacked patriotism, respect for the Constitution, family values, marriage, Christian religious values, a free market and other common values and ideals that made America what it was and brought us together.

Liberals don’t want to live in the world our forefathers created and we don’t want to live in the world they are trying to create.


28 posted on 11/18/2017 2:46:52 AM PST by Vlad The Inhaler (United We Stand - Divided We Fall. Remember: Diversity is the opposite of unity.)
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Here is one aspect of a break up to consider.

It would not be an end to the divisiveness.

Liberals just cannot live and let live.

It isn’t enough for them to have something they like - they are driven to deny others the things that they like or things that liberals don’t like.

If we somehow could divide into two functioning nations, either amicably or not, that attitude on the part of liberals will not change.

The fact that a free state existed on the same continent would be unacceptable to them.

It would stick in their craw in the way they cannot today abide a neighbor with a Trump sign or someone wearing a MAGA hat.

As soon as we split up liberals would resume their campaign against anything, anyone, not liberal and would never be at peace with a neighboring state holding values they disagree with.


30 posted on 11/18/2017 3:10:55 AM PST by Vlad The Inhaler (United We Stand - Divided We Fall. Remember: Diversity is the opposite of unity.)
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I have faith Good will prevail although the struggle will be difficult. Working with some of the great young people at the three parishes I volunteer with, I see them as crucial part of our hope for the future. At 64 years old, I do not intend to give up. “Never give up, never surrender!”.


31 posted on 11/18/2017 3:14:19 AM PST by Shark24
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