Posted on 11/30/2017 3:43:33 PM PST by Kaslin
In the interest of intellectual honesty and transparency, let's begin with a few important concessions to skeptics of the GOP tax reform bill: First, not every single American would be a winner under the plan. A small percentage of US taxpayers would see a tax increase (disproportionately, these would be higher-income itemizers from high-tax states), and a number of deductions that help certain people with heavy medical expenses and student loan debt would be eliminated (proponents say much or all of the resulting blow would be mitigated by lower rates and a doubled standard deduction). Second, among the "losers" would be a small percentage of middle class families and filers. Third, even using a "dynamic" score of the legislation -- which takes into account the growth-stimulating effects of tax cuts and simplification -- it is likely that the plan would add hundreds of billions to cumulative federal deficits over the next decade. The debt matters. Fourth, some Republicans believe the plan is too tilted toward corporate tax reductions (the current US statuary and effective rates are internationally uncompetitive), arguing that a small portion of those planned cuts should be redirected to families with children.
There is partisan retort to each of those first three criticisms, of course: The Democratic Party lied to the American people by promising a no-lose panacea under Obamacare, which ended up harming more people than it helped, while gut-punching millions of middle class families with skyrocketing Obamacare costs and taxes. And Obama's party, now feigning suddenly concern about deficits, cheered loudly as he nearly doubled the national debt in the span of just eight years. These points highlight Democrats' hypocrisy and opportunism; they do not, however, invalidate the concerns listed above, on the merits. The fundamental question as Senators contemplate their chamber's legislation is whether the drawbacks of the bill outweigh its benefits. I believe they do not, but in order to at least reach a point of forming rational opinions, it's imperative that we expose and correct dishonest myths about the effects of tax reform. These are the two biggest falsehoods being propagated by the Left:
(1) The GOP tax reform proposals do not help the middle class. This is flat-out wrong, period. As we've explored in great detail, with links to actual data, the vast majority of all taxpayers would receive a tax cut under the Republican plan, including roughly 75 percent of middle income households (others would see no change, and a small fraction would see an increase). This is especially true for the massive majority of middle class filers who take the standard deduction, which is set to roughly increase twofold under the legislation. As we wrote earlier, even the New York Times' analysis of the bill -- evidently unread by the paper's editorial board -- cannot escape the empirical fact that a lopsided supermajority of middle class earners stand to benefit from tax relief. I've also cited two nonpartisan analyses of the House-passed bill that determined it would lower taxes and increase incomes, on average, across every income group in America (see the above links). In doing so, I've highlighted the work of the nonpartisan Tax Foundation to illustrate these benefits, which some liberals have dismissed because of that organization's reputation for leaning to the right. For the purposes of this argument, therefore, let's look at findings from the ideologically liberal Tax Policy Center (TPC). It found that the House-passed legislation would reduce average tax bills across all five income groups from 2019 to 2027 (the end of the budget window). How about the Senate bill?
Chart from left-leaning Tax Policy Center shows Senate GOP reform bill would INCREASE after-tax incomes in '19 & '25 for *every single* income group. Yellow bar ('27 projection) assumes highly implausible total expiration of middle class cuts (see now-permanent Bush tax cuts): pic.twitter.com/7268PrtWlH— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) November 30, 2017
The blue and red bars demonstrate how taxpayers in every single income quintile, including the middle three, will see their after-tax incomes rise, due to the plan's tax cuts -- both immediately and in the medium-term. As I mention in the tweet, the yellow bar (the basis for nearly all of the misleading scare-mongering you're hearing from the Left on this front) assumes that Congress would allow all of the middle class cuts to expire after 2025. I've previously elucidated why that outcome is unlikely in the extreme, but here's Manhattan Institute Senior Fellow Brian Riedl fortifying the case persuasively and succinctly. Please read every sentence of this paragraph carefully, as it's packed with relevant information:
A Tax Policy Center analysis of the Senate bill reveals that three-quarters of all families would get a tax cut. Just 12 percent would see a tax increase — and they are concentrated among the rich. The average middle-income family would receive a tax cut of approximately $850 per year through 2025. At that point, Congress would have to vote to extend most of the family tax cuts. This vote would probably be a formality, as a similar vote five years ago to extend the Bush tax cuts for middle-class families passed the Senate 89–8. There is no appetite in Congress to steeply raise middle-class taxes. Even in the worst-case scenario, where the cuts fully expire, the typical middle-income family would receive a cumulative $7,000 tax cut in the early years, followed by a (roughly) $100 annual tax increase later. Still a good deal. How do critics portray this as a middle-class tax hike? By simply ignoring the $7,000 tax cut in the early years, assuming a full expiration after 2025, and then implying that the later tax hike is much larger. That is flat-out dishonest.
(2) The GOP tax reform proposals are just another giveaway to "the rich." President Trump insisted that millionaires and billionaires not see their income tax rate slashed under the GOP plan, and he got his way in the House-passed bill (the Senate bill would reduce the top tax bracket rate by just one point). That still hasn't stopped the Left from endlessly repeating their favorite talking point about any and every Republican tax idea ever proposed. First, I'll remind you that "the rich" already pay a disproportionately high percentage of America's tax tab. The data spells out how they contribute their "fair share" (another popular buzz phrase), and then some. Of course an across-the-board tax cut and reform plan will benefit many of the people who are shoveling mounds of cash out the door and into Uncle Sam's bottomless coffers. But can the Senate plan be broadly construed as a sweetheart deal for the very rich? Back to Riedl's analysis -- which, again, is rooted in numbers from the liberal TPC:
Even a proportional tax cut will save wealthier families more money. In 2013 (the latest year for which data are available), the typical family in the top 1 percent paid $420,000 in federal income taxes. The top 20 percent averaged $47,000, and the typical middle-income family paid $2,000. The bottom 40 percent collectively paid zero income tax. It is not easy to give the largest income-tax cuts to those who already pay no income tax. That said, the Senate bill would make the tax code even more progressive. The bottom 80 percent of families currently pay 33 percent of all combined federal taxes, yet would get 37 percent of the tax cuts. By contrast, the top 1 percent currently pays 27 percent of all federal taxes but would get just 18 percent of the tax cuts. The result would be wealthy families paying a larger portion of the federal tax burden.
So where do statistics like this "62 percent of cuts to the top one percent" assertion come from?
“Your tax plan has 36% of it going to the richest 1% in America. I don’t do that" is a thing McCain said in 2000 to GWBush. McCain went on to vote against both the 2001 & 2003 Bush cuts.
Well, current Senate bill has 62% of cuts going to top 1%. https://t.co/houHwoEcPb— Catherine Rampell (@crampell) November 29, 2017
That data point relies on the "yellow bar" assumption described earlier. She skips the entire part about undisputed middle class tax cuts over the next eight years, and jumps to a fictional 2027 universe in which Congress has green-lit a big tax increase on the middle class, leaving the remaining playing field slanted toward "the rich." This is misleading sleight-of-hand that looks intended to fool gullible people and whip up under-informed outrage. Another example of that phenomenon:
NEW: Leaked JCT report shows only 62% of Americans get a tax cut of $100 or more from the Senate GOP plan in 2019. Rest would pay about the same or more.
Among people earning $50k to $75k, 10% would face tax hike of $100 or morehttps://t.co/9kz5vjzLIv pic.twitter.com/lS6IJdEt3q— Heather Long (@byHeatherLong) November 29, 2017
Using basic arithmetic, many people might conclude this also means that 38 percent of Americans would see a tax increase. Wrong:
This doesn't say nearly what you think it says. Roughly 1/3 of filers have no tax liability, so roughly 1/3 of filers getting no tax cut is not at all surprising. There's no tax to cut. https://t.co/gfRuvkt3ld— amoylan (@amoylan) November 30, 2017
To recap: The data proves that the overwhelming majority of all taxpayers (including, if not especially, the middle class) would get a tax cut under the bill, which would also significantly improve the US business climate for corporations and small businesses, resulting in faster economic growth and nearly one million new full-time American jobs. What it would not do -- contrary to some of the scurrilous rumors and baseless claims flying around -- is create special new "tax breaks" for private jet owners, eliminate the popular mortgage interest deduction, or "kick millions off of healthcare" (a distortion that doubles as a bogus claim that poor people would get slapped with "tax increases" under the legislation). I'm not here to tell you the Republican plan is perfect. I'm here to tell you that some of the most frequently-repeated attacks from the Left against the plan are either entirely unsupported by evidence, or rest on out-of-context data points that seem to have been deliberately cherry-picked in order to mislead people.
Well that really puts things in perspective. Now I see why the market is going bonkers over this bill. Thank God Trump is president and not Hillary.
I’m skeptical of the House bill. I get tossed into a much higher tax bracket and lose more deductions than they can make up with the higher standard deduction.
Everybody who uses deductions and owns real estate in NY, NJ, CA, IL, and other high tax states is going to get royally effed.
There was some interesting analysis about CA the other day that found the middle class tax hike here resulting from the loss of SALT deductions is 22 TIMES BIGGER than the gasoline tax hike that passed and got everybody into a tizzy.
This is not what I voted for. This tax hike is many times bigger than any tax increase ever proposed by Democrats in my lifetime.
A tax cut that raises your taxes??
Senator Bob Menendez
To Freeper Name Oct 31 at 11:31 AM
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Dear Friend, Imagine finding out that you have to pay taxes ON your taxes . That’s exactly what Republicans' idea of tax reform means. New Jerseyans pay some of the highest property taxes in the nation, but at least we’ve always been able to deduct them from our federal taxes, so we’re not taxed twice on the same dollar. That won’t be the case if President Trump’s tax plan– which Republicans put on the fast track last week – becomes law. They want to eliminate the State and Local Tax Deduction, or SALT, resulting in a $3,500 tax increase for more than 1.5 million hardworking New Jersey middle class and upper middle class families who rely on it. WATCH AND SHARE THIS EXPLANATORY VIDEO
What kind of “middle class tax cut” (as Trump promised) increases taxes on middle class families by $3,500? And what kind of tax relief plan socks it to New Jersey families – most who make less than $200k a year – by taking away a deduction worth $10,000 and forcing New Jerseyans to pay taxes on their taxes. It’s a plan we have to stop. We cannot allow Republicans in Congress to raise taxes on New Jersey’s middle class families just so they can give big fat tax breaks to a handful of the super-wealthy and giant corporations. We need to sound the alarm! Share the truth about their plan with your friends by sharing this on social media:
There’s no time to waste. Thank you.......Bob
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To Senator Bob Menendez Oct 31 at 7:38 PM
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Wait a minute Bob - you Democrats are always yapping about Republicans giving tax cuts to the rich - here finally is the elimination of a deduction which goes almost entirely to high earners paying high state income taxes and high real estate taxes on their big mansions - most of us in the middle class will more than cover the lost deduction with the doubling of the standard deduction - let's finally stick it to those rich bastards (like your doctor friend from Florida) - finally make 'em pay their fair share (even though the top ten percent of earners already pay eighty percent of federal income taxes) - make 'em pay more - finally do something to make me proud you're my senator....... Freeper Name
Bob struck back almost immediately with a devastating email retort – “Five Things To Know About Enrolling in Health Care”.......
Same with me. 45 years of retirement financial planning thrown out the window by Republicans in the very same year I retire. Many thousands of dollars in tax hikes I was not planning for.
Here is a link to an analysis of the senate plan with rates and breakpoints.
https://taxfoundation.org/details-analysis-2017-senate-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/
Everybody will be different. Based on my own back of the envelope calcs, I’ll see an 11% decrease in overall income tax.
I’ll take it.
People vote their own pocketbook. If their taxes go down, they aren’t going to give a rats rear if some other poor slob that they don’t know gets his taxes jacked up.
Here is a quick analysis of the senate tax plan. With last years tax return in hand you can figure out about where you’ll come out in about 5 minutes.
https://taxfoundation.org/details-analysis-2017-senate-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/
Giving the devils their due, I win under the senate plan.
That’s surprising as you’re in WA which doesn’t have a state income tax. Here is a relatively fair analysis of the senate plan with breakpoints for your own calculations.
No, I’m in Arizona. Moved here just over a year ago.
I make out pretty well with the Senate plan, get screwed with the House’s plan.
Still, AZ has relatively low taxes.
Politics is a scam and we’re suckers for playing.
Will this bill eliminate the Obamacare mandate?
I win under both but I do better under the senate plan.
I suspect that if the senate plan passes, the house will simply adopt the senate plan as-is rather than risk losing everything in reconciliation.
Politics is a scam and we’re suckers for playing.
Apparently it still does. With some planning, you can get around that anyway. I’m amazed that anyone pays it.
This country needs better tax planning, not another set of politicians.
Politics is a scam and we’re suckers for playing.
I wouldnt believe a word that gop establishment salem radio paid for whore guy benson says. He is a never trumper dirtbag. If he is for it you can bet the middle class trump voters get screwed and his corporate donor patrons benefit.
>>>than the gasoline tax hike that passed and got everybody into a tizzy<<<
Who is in a tizzy, some Radio Host in San Diego?
The Sheep here just went along with it and it’s a Tax that hits the lowest Income Earners in CA, AKA Democrats and Illegal Democrats.
As I recall, Moonbeam already got away with imposing a stealth Carbon Tax. No outrage when that happened.
If a Republican Legislature and Governor imposed this Tax, the Democrats would be having a field day about it hurting the poorest amongst us and there would riots in the streets.
That talk show host in SD has gathered a lot of signatures, Soon there will be petition to put constitutional limits on the taxes ala prop13. Get with the program and sign the petitions. This is all e have to fight the liberal,onslaugt in Sacto.
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