Posted on 12/30/2017 11:37:33 AM PST by caww
When you talk about “Global Governing Body, are you among those who believe in a cabal of Bilderbergs, et al?
seeing twitter reports/videos of battles between protesters and government forces
tonight
several police vans burning as well as police buildings in several cities
good twitter feed-voice of Iran
https://twitter.com/mrmahmoudi44911
Thank you for a detailed, useful summary of recent events.
Some time ago, I researched a bit about Iranian power centers during another lively FR post. At that time there appeared to be four major ones, although there are plenty of others allied with one or another of those. At the top is Ayatolla Khamenei (age 78) and the Mullahs. At that time he was reported to have a “palace guard” of perhaps 10,000 people, with an elite of several hundred each given their own personal housing (buys good loyalty). Second was the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and their malitia allies like the Basij (I think “nutjob” was from them). They also lost huge numbers in Sadam Husseins war, and have many fingers in many lucrative economic/business pies. Sanctions may be hitting them hard. The regular military (and perhaps the police) are a separate entity and this may explain why aircraft appear to be leaving, passing by Tehran and why demonstrators are asking the police for help. The fourth group is the more moderate factions including old line moderates like President Rouhani, who was elected appealing to the voters, mostly much younger, who do want change and often feel positive toward the US. In 2009 I don’t think the demonstrators were strong enough to win, now may be different. The thought that the 2009 struggle began in the cities, whereas this has begun in the country can be a serious difference. Fuel price increases hit the countryside hard, since travel to urban centers costs more, and fuel costs for mechanized agriculture could be an important factor. Lifting the subsidies and increasing the poor by 60+% must be a bummer. Below is a link posted just before the election that Rouhani won which shows some of these different influences and tendencies.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2017/05/iran-election-explainer-170503114917157.html
“” “That doesn’t mean that the Mullahs would turn down Russian help. It just means that the protestors won’t.” “”
In no way Russia would back the Mullahs. It is contrary to her Geopolitical goals which is about long term alliances.
Backing a losing side which is not particularly friendly and cooperative is in no way a viable strategy.
Also, unlike the Arab Spring I believe Iranians might have some use of revolution.
They have a sort of civil society and middle class and rather advanced political system although suppressed by the clerics.
With new Constitution it might work out for them really well. The entire pattern of unrest shows that it is useful likely to bring some new Islamic rule because Sharia is that the protestors are against in the first place.
At worst the left might prevail but red Iran is still an improvement over that they have now.
Useful likely=unlikely
French and Polish resistance from WW2 as a starting point. Airdrop liberater style small semiautomatics and insert Kurdish and Iraqi counter sniper teams. If the iranian mullahs try using tanks and helicopters to crush the rebellion use hand held missiles. There is a counter for every measure the iranian mullahs use,,, The key is that it is a widespread serious uprising that can sustain itself.
Talks with Iranian generals might be fruitful towards military switching sides. Just saying that we do know how to support popular uprisings and how to overthrow oppressive regimes.
Exactly, no safe havens.
ten killed now
DUBAI (Reuters) - Ten people were killed during protests in Iran on Sunday and armed demonstrators tried to seize police stations and military bases but were repulsed by security forces, state television said on Monday.
Hoping Trump helps the people overthrow the brutal repressive *slamic regime of the *slamic republic of iran.
“..Might that be an act of war? ...”
“Neo-con”? Snort. Hardly.
If I remember correctly (and I do) the Iranian moslem mullahs have been calling for “Death To America”, so forth and so on, since 1979. And they’re building nukes now, thanks to Clinton and Obama.
We’re already AT war with the islamic fanatics. Or more to the point, they’ve been at war with us. 9-11 was an act of war. Khobar Towers attack was an act of war. Beirut Marine Barracks attack was an act of war. Need more?
Helping people free themselves from the grip of tyrants is part and parcel of Americanism. The Iranian people were our friends before Jimmy Carter let the maniac moslem terrorists depose the Shah.
Tell me how it’s a bad thing to get rid of a dictatorship by helping people do it themselves, rather than have Americans die for it?
But you have your opinion, and others have theirs. That’s part of what freedom is all about.
Do to them what they’ve been doing to the people.
and...... Khomani hatched his revolution in France
France is thus the perpetrator and thus the enemy
Time for the ayatollahs and Revolutionary guard to go.
How is up to the Persians.
5.56mm
The French are an enigma to me, for sure.
The Russians have had their fists in the ass-crack of the Mullahs for a very long time.
Do you believe Russia has operatives behind the unrest? I don’t believe it but if true it would be an improvement over a regular Arab Spring scenario.
The Russians love the Mullahs, so, NO.
The Russians support tyrants the world over and since the Iranian Mullahs hate America, Russia loves them.
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