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Icy Rivers Slow New York Barges Trying to Deliver Heating Fuel
gCaptain ^ | January 2, 2018 | Laura Blewitt

Posted on 01/03/2018 6:19:58 AM PST by artichokegrower

Shivering New Yorkers may have to pay more to get warm as ice in the Hudson River delayed fuel-barge deliveries and the U.S. government warned of a home heating-fuel shortage from the East Coast to Texas.

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To: artichokegrower

Get ready for all forms of energy to go up - let’s start drilling anwr.


21 posted on 01/03/2018 6:57:12 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Bookmarked for later.


22 posted on 01/03/2018 6:59:48 AM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: bgill

The problem with heating oil is that the typical residential heating oil tank holds about $250 gallons. Depending upon the square feet of your home and the exterior temperature this may be a 2 month supply in October and November but a 3 week supply in January. Most people me are on automatic fill up based on our past usage.

Heating oil suppliers also offer pre buy contracts in the summer to lock in a capped price. Some years these have been a good deal. The last several they have not. However, many people do not have the cash to pre buy all the oil for the heating season. You can also work out a payment plan deal and pay for it over 8-10 months.


23 posted on 01/03/2018 7:04:53 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: from occupied ga

Never heard of aerogel, so I looked it up on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel


24 posted on 01/03/2018 7:17:51 AM PST by Bigg Red (Francis is a Nincompope.)
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To: BobL
"I believe that most New Yorkers oppose pipelines. Oh well..."

Also drilling and fracking. NY sits on top of one of the biggest deposits of quality shale petroleum in the USA, but won't exploit it. Freezing in the dark is appropriate.

25 posted on 01/03/2018 7:36:47 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: woodbutcher1963

I was thinking of pipelines to large storage tanks, so you don’t need the barges.


26 posted on 01/03/2018 7:37:39 AM PST by BobL (I used to own a truck - but I couldn't handle the lifestyle)
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To: woodbutcher1963
"There is no pipeline in front of my residence in NH. There never will be because I live in the country and houses are spread too far apart. The natural gas pipeline stops at the local high school about 3 miles away."

My very rural home farm in South Louisiana is served by pipeline distributed natural gas. The "last mile" of distribution pipeline was put in place and is run by a local co-op (a spinoff of the local REA). It CAN be done in very rural areas. The problem "up east" is leftist PC, which your state is being impacted by. Hard to get a pipeline to NH without it passing through NY.

27 posted on 01/03/2018 7:42:05 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: BobL

I think it ships by barges/vessels and truck or railcar directly from the refineries to the distribution facilities. #2 home heating oil is basically the same thing as diesel fuel.


28 posted on 01/03/2018 7:42:40 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“aerogel insulation”

Figure out a way to pay off Johns-Manville, Owens Corning and the cellulose insulation manufacturers and you might be on to something...


29 posted on 01/03/2018 7:51:23 AM PST by Rebelbase (The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.-- H.L. Mencken)
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To: Wonder Warthog

It is more of a return on investment in my case. They will extend a pipeline into new residential developments where every new house is then hooked up to the pipeline. In my case the cost of installing the pipeline would not pay for itself because existing houses may not pay to switch their heating systems to gas.

I also suspect natural gas is much cheaper in LA than it is here in NH. Where I grew up in western NY every house was on natural gas. Here, the pipelines are only in the cities or extended to large volume users like my local high school and middle school. IF you are on the road where the pipeline runs to get to the school then it would be available to you if you wanted to switch your furnace and pipe it from the street to your house. So, there is a cost to switch that you have to weigh.

FYI, I also have a pellet stove.


30 posted on 01/03/2018 7:58:02 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: artichokegrower

Proof Positive the Oil Compamies are STUPID, here they are giving the very entities that are SUING them in Federal Court for killing the planet, the necessary evidence to destroy them in court.

In an effort to mitigate the damages and eliminate any conflict of interest problems, EVERY Oil company in America needs to STOP all Sales of their deadly products in every State listed in the legal action.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3618921/posts

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31 posted on 01/03/2018 8:00:08 AM PST by eyeamok (Tolerance: The virtue of having a belief in Nothing!)
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To: woodbutcher1963
"I also suspect natural gas is much cheaper in LA than it is here in NH."

That indeed was the case years ago, but is no longer from a pure fuel cost perspective. And if the Marcellus shale is exploited, natgas will likely be cheaper in NY/NH than "down South". All that prevents Marcellus exploitation is politics.

When my home place made the switch, most of your arguments against were also existent, only with propane substituted for fuel oil. What didn't exist yet were the political barriers implemented by the left/green factions.

32 posted on 01/03/2018 8:06:37 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Fantastic stuff. I’ve seen the reviews and wonder what they’re waiting for


33 posted on 01/03/2018 8:13:14 AM PST by scan59 (Seabees rule!)
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To: cyclotic; RedMonqey; Pelham

Honestly the truth is somewhere in between oh God the sky is falling price gouging and your price gougimg utopian platitude

Right now the price of heating oil HHO or diesel number three which is high grade ships bunker (not bunker C) or dyed diesel hence the red color added to HHO

all are interchangeable and virtually same elevation on a cracking tower

Which btw is the second price point on this path of price determination on HHO

The first being the producer whether OPEC or PetroMex or North Sea BP SHELL or Wyoming or Gulf of Mexico etc

Then the cracking tower at the refinery and then pipeline maybe depending on ownership and then maybe tank farm operator and then distributor then retailer

The retailer having the least power usually and the easiest to catch if gouging

What really happens sorta like you said is the demand curve can be so sharp like right now that it jacks all the production from the refineries and they can’t keep up hence pricing is kind of the inherent mechanism by which we figure out who wants or needs HHO most

Local TV sensationalism gouging is when your local Paki at his Marathon gas station thinks he can charge triple price after a hurricane or folks selling bottled water at 20 bucks a gallon

The biggest influencer over petro products is the producer and then the refiner

Sensational gouging is a tougher deed done locally there by distributors or filling station owners

It is a pisser that every time local utilities get s rate hike for higher priced fuel reasons they don’t bring it back down much when fuel prices collapse do they

Without law suits filed

They get used to spending that new money on infrastructure junkets and office buildings that rival courthouses in opulence with Alabama mable and domes etc


34 posted on 01/03/2018 9:19:10 AM PST by wardaddy (As a southerner I've never trusted the Grand Old Party.....any questions?)
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To: from occupied ga

This was the case. Since its invention in 1931, it has been both expensive and fragile. But someone has invented a thin sheet, flexible aerogel, and overnight everybody wants it. Yet production is far too small scale for the demand.

What is needed is very large scale industrial production. All new home and business construction, hot or cold appliances, retrofitting, etc. It would take 50 years to even get a start on all its potential applications.


35 posted on 01/03/2018 12:56:43 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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To: artichokegrower

The universe was caused by man-made global warming.


36 posted on 01/03/2018 3:15:35 PM PST by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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