Posted on 02/03/2018 4:21:36 AM PST by beaversmom
No they don’t. Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were two gangster states who had a falling out and the Nazis lost. Battle for battle and man for man while America didn’t pay the same price in blood the Russians did we fought a two ocean world war AND supplied the Russians with war material.
Verdun comes to mind. So does Iwo Jima.
Thanks for the recommendation. Very interested in looking that up.
My pleasure.
"Official" Russian MoD puts the figure at :8.7 Million.
The figures published by Russian Ministry of Defense have been accepted by most historians outside Russia. However, the official figure of 8.7 million military deaths has been disputed by some Russian historians who believe that the number of dead and missing POWs is not correct and new research is necessary to determine actual (much higher).
German losses against the Russians were just as horrific.
German military losses 5,533,000
Total military and civilian deaths - 6,600,000-8,800,000
We did send some Land Lease material - but near as much as the Brits for example.
(http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm)
Money quote - "That the Soviet victories of late 1941 were won with Soviet blood and largely with Soviet weapons is beyond dispute."
Lemd-Lease meant that Americans would not die in Russia like the poor bastards sent & left to die by the US Administration under Woodrow Wilson. ( The last American soldiers left Siberia on April 1, 1920. During their 19 months in Siberia, 189 soldiers of the American Expeditionary Force Siberia died from all causes. As a comparison, the smaller American North Russia Expeditionary Force experienced 235 deaths from all causes during their 9 months of fighting near Arkhangelsk) See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Expeditionary_Force_Siberia for a short version.
This is one reason (of the legion of reasons) that W. Wilson is undoubtedly the worst President the US ever suffered thru.
Thank you, stunning!
I hope this works. The scale!
http://www.lazerhorse.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/The-Mother-Land-Statue-Volgograd-from-above.jpg
http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Mamayev_Kurgan_Russia_Img01.jpg
The war didn’t start turning around for the Russians until the end of 43 and ‘44 after the Allies opened The Second Front. We did more then ‘some Lend/lease’’ to the Russians. To say otherwise is to totally ignore the convoys to Murmansk aka “The Atlantic Convoys’’. The Russians did not posses a strategic air force that pounded German war industries and populations centers as the Allies did. Neither did they have a navy that destroyed the German U boat threat in the Atlantic and put the Imperial Japanese navy at the bottom of the Pacific.
That is perspective.
Also, the Soviets loved the Nazis, before they hated them. Two peas in a pod.
On the latter I agree with you. Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia were two scorpions in a bottle. On the former I don’t see it a perspective. Its fact. The Russians contributed manpower, cannon fodder, but little else.
I also recommend the 1993 German movie, “Stalingrad”
A friend of mines grandfather was one of them
He was kept in the Gulag till I think 1954-55
Nearly one million
Ask any non Jewish pole who was worse in WWII that lived it
My best friends wife is polish
Her grandma lost their farm and ethnic Germans were given their place after 1939. Then after the Russians “liberated” Poland those Germans hauled ass
Who was harder on the Polish womenfolk
No question.....the neighbor from the East......rape and pillage and even murder was considered fair game...especially rape...brutal gang rapes
Her grandmother like her was gorgeous woman.....and she and her sisters hid in the forest but were found out by Russian colonel who protected them
But at a cost for he and his officers
But she said she was grateful considering the alternative ....
She was 15-16
Freepers hate nuance and German policy towards those in the final solution or resistance was brutal but the Wehrmacht typically had more discipline than did the Russians and Japs
The Japs were awful to conquered women too
Problem is the Russians weren’t supposed to be conquering the Poles
And the 1999 historical novel by David L. Robbins, War of the Rats.
Thank you for that.
Amazing pics.
As General Anders told Patton, “With the Germans, we lose our lives...With the Russians we lose our souls.”
Magnificent! Thank you.
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