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Shooter revealed gory fantasies to his therapists years before the Parkland massacre
miamiherald.com ^ | 3/9/2018 | Carol Marbin Miller And Kyra Gurney

Posted on 03/11/2018 8:37:29 AM PDT by rktman

Nearly four years before school shooter Nikolas Cruz gunned down 17 students and educators at a Parkland high school, he confided in a therapist that he saw himself in a dream drenched in human blood.

A May 3, 2014, notation in a Broward County schools psychiatric file said Cruz “reported [a dream] last week of him killing people and covered in blood. He smiled and told the therapist that sometimes he says things for shock value.”

After Cruz’s disclosure to his therapist at the alternative Cross Creek School, administrators developed a “safety plan” to ensure the welfare of Cruz and others while the teen was on summer vacation. The plan included provisions for removing “all sharp objects from the home” and encouraging the youth to “verbalize what the problem is.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; browardcounty; crazy; florida; hippa; mentalhealth; nicolascruz; nikolascruz; nra; parkland; scottisrael; secondamendment
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To: bk1000

I’m quite sure had anything been done proactively, cries of racism would abound, and Cruz would be the poster child for Trump’s rounding up “Hispanics”. The Left saw to it this kid never stood a chance.

Cruz was a hispanic right up until he pulled the trigger. Then he was a white nationalist.


21 posted on 03/11/2018 9:17:48 AM PDT by Flick Lives
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To: montag813

HIPPA, up to the point that someone is crazy. At the point that he is a danger to others or himself something should be done.


22 posted on 03/11/2018 9:19:58 AM PDT by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: rktman

These damn physco trists do nothing but paperwork and collect a very big paycheck.


23 posted on 03/11/2018 9:24:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: headstamp 2

True, but that damned AR-15 will pay the price for it’s evil deed. ;-(


24 posted on 03/11/2018 9:32:01 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: oldvirginian

If only AR-15s had never been invented. You get my drift. Anything but the real cause.


25 posted on 03/11/2018 9:34:12 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

I am not sure but since Cruz was a minor at the time the therapist may have been obligated to discuss this with his parents.


26 posted on 03/11/2018 9:39:59 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: TalBlack

Unless the parents told the therapist that any discussions were to be confidential Cruz has a minor child did not enjoy privacy rights under HIPPA. His parents as his representative are the ones who had those rights.


27 posted on 03/11/2018 9:44:07 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: patriotspride
Haven’t seen it yet, but assume there will be some “ wrongful death” lawsuits coming.

They'll be settled out of court (no public records).
Undisclosed sums, total gag orders on all involved.
All paid for by honest taxpayers.
Not one red cent paid for by anyone actually responsible for any part of this debacle.

It's what we justice in this country.

28 posted on 03/11/2018 9:45:45 AM PDT by null and void (The difference between the democrats and the GOPe is the GOPe has a smaller fire under the frog pot.)
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To: rktman

The cause was the system.
The Cruz kid was as much a victim as those he killed.
But yeah, let’s blame the tool.
I hate liberals.


29 posted on 03/11/2018 9:48:41 AM PDT by oldvirginian ("The people built this country. And it is the people who are making America great again.” D TRUMP)
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To: patriotspride

Well Said and True


30 posted on 03/11/2018 9:52:54 AM PDT by Sir Beowolf (Beware! it's a different world,The Republic is crying for Help.)
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To: FreedomPoster

“Many non-sharp normal, everyday objects can easily be made so, or used as a weapon as-is, no sharpening required. A baseball bat comes to mind as a common item thus.”

Cast Iron Frying Pan. Ask my Grandma about the time she fended off a burglar with hers! :)

They’d better ban making a FIST, too! Someone could get hurt.

And don’t get me started on what the Army trained me to do with a No. 2 Yellow Pencil! ;)


31 posted on 03/11/2018 10:03:02 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: rktman
These records are not released without the patient’s permission. Now, maybe Florida is unique? My guess is his defense counsel sees a benefit here.

Long before HIPPA we have believed in confidentiality and privacy of medical records, and I don't want to see that eroded by the rush to do something.

Looking backward it is easier to see what eventually happened and to speculate. It's not so easy looking forward.

32 posted on 03/11/2018 10:07:11 AM PDT by PsyCon
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To: lastchance

Is that per Florida’s law?


33 posted on 03/11/2018 10:23:01 AM PDT by PsyCon
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To: rktman

All signs point to they wanted this to happen.


34 posted on 03/11/2018 10:44:21 AM PDT by Trillian
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To: montag813
Dont blame the therapists. They are governed by HIPAA privacy rules. This falls squarely on Sheriff Israel, the Broward Schools and the FBI...the Miami Herald wants to distract the public from that fact yet again

I guess it all depends on whether anything Cruz might've been arrested for would've resulted in a felony conviction (domestic violence misdemeanors didn't apply and Florida has no "red flag" restraining order laws). Law enforcement tends to tread lightly when dealing with people who are obvious mental cases, believing that somehow the person would be better served by mental health care than incarceration - but often there's a huge disconnect where the two systems should work together. In the case of Broward county, that disconnect was enshrined in official policy.

We need to know, for starters, what other locations around the country are following Broward's example. Who else was at that "reduction of juvenile delinquency" symposium in D.C.?

35 posted on 03/11/2018 10:47:05 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: rktman

Well its all fixed now. Nobody in Fla can get a rifle til age 21. That should take care of everything. (S)


36 posted on 03/11/2018 11:10:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: PsyCon

Florida does have its own version of HIPPA that closely follows the federal HIPPA. Under both a minor child is not presumed to enjoy the same rights of privacy as an adult unless the parents agree that the provider and the child may observe them.


37 posted on 03/11/2018 11:10:17 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Flick Lives

Nope. Either a judge granted the release or whomever is acting as the agent for the estate did.


38 posted on 03/11/2018 11:11:21 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: lastchance
Thank you. Both parents are deceased in this case. The patient is 19, and should hold the priviledge.
39 posted on 03/11/2018 12:40:06 PM PDT by PsyCon
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To: rktman

The therapist apparently did tell the school and they had their little plans in place. While he was attending.

Once he left, the schools don’t consider ex students to be a viable threat. Nor would they consider him a threat if he lived in the area and never attended that school. Clearly, people could enter that campus who didn’t belong on there at all, with weapons. THERE is your problem.

There are two issues not to confound here. Our country / state / community handling of mentally ill people is one issue. School students being kept safe is another.

My solutions: let it be known that every public school in America will be armed and you won’t always know exactly how. And high schools should have metal detectors, maybe middle schools too. Every school should have a formal entrance and schools should stagger arrival times and leaving times so there is no gridlock. Absolutely no one should get in without passing security in an outright or hidden form.

For the mental heath problems, I have tons of ideas. For brevity’s sake, right now, I’d like to see smaller, more well to do cities or towns step up and experiment. More interaction, forced visit from social worker, threat assessments, forced connection therapy (failure to respond to kind affection/interest from a therapist and possibly a group should result in something drastic, thus ridding the town of sociopaths). And I do think we need a longer period of time to be able to hold people against their will who suffer with acute loss of reality. But the mental illness issue (which seems like a brain damage occurring prenatally, in this guy’s history) is one we need to seriously work on, taking danger to self and others as top priority.

But the schools need to be safe.


40 posted on 03/11/2018 12:58:25 PM PDT by Yaelle
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