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May issues ultimatum to Moscow over Salisbury poisoning
theguardian.com ^ | March 12, 2018 | Asthana, Roth, Harding and MacAskill

Posted on 03/13/2018 12:07:27 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

Theresa May has given Vladimir Putin’s administration until midnight on Tuesday to explain how a former spy was poisoned in Salisbury, otherwise she will conclude it was an “unlawful use of force” by the Russian state against the UK.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: brexit; qanon; russia; theresamay; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 03/13/2018 12:07:27 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Unless he's got some way to use this as leverage for Brexit, she plans to use this as an alibi to postpone it.

3 posted on 03/13/2018 12:21:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

What if the Russian had a “Double O” number. Then this would have been legal...right?


4 posted on 03/13/2018 12:25:48 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob ("Other People's Money" = The life blood of Liberalism)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Whats the proof? All I’ve seen is hunches. And Teresa May the psychopath says “it’s likely it was Russia”. Ever think this guy might have been Michael Steele’s Russian “source” for the dossier? There could be all kinds of reasons to rub him out that aren’t Russian.

Also, this makes no sense. It was 15 years ago that he was a turncoat, and the guy was arrested, and served time in in prison in Russia for that treason against his country, then was released at some point. Why not just kill him when he was there if that was going to happen??

We are being sold a bill of goods here.


5 posted on 03/13/2018 12:43:21 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DesertRhino

** We are being sold a bill of goods here. **

I’m not buying what the UK, US, France, etc is selling.


6 posted on 03/13/2018 12:49:42 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: SunkenCiv

She is using it to throw us off of the real killer


7 posted on 03/13/2018 12:51:11 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Christopher Steele I meant.

And the Russian served time in prison, and was living openly in Britain under his own name for 8 years. And his employer was none other than Christopher Steele!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/07/poisoned-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-close-consultant-linked/

This is a Clinton and US intel community murder. Bet he was the “Russian” who helped create the dossier!


8 posted on 03/13/2018 12:54:11 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

How can you prove a negative like that?


9 posted on 03/13/2018 12:57:29 AM PDT by LukeL
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To: LukeL

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/spy-posions-spy-and-the-anti-trump-campaign.html

Poisioned British-Russian Double-Agent Has Links To Clinton Campaign
On Sunday a former British-Russian double agent and his daughter were seriously injured in a mysterious incident in Salisbury, England. The British government says that both were hurt due to “exposure to a nerve agent”. Speculative media reports talk of Sarin and VX, two deadly nerve-agents used in military chemical weapons. Anonymous officials strongly hint that ‘Russia did it’.

New reports though point to a deep connection between the case and the anti-Trump/anti-Russia propaganda drive run by the Obama administration and the Hillary Clinton election campaign.

Sergei Skripal once was a colonel in a Russian military intelligence service. In the early 1990s he was recruited by the MI6 agent Pablo Miller. He continued to spy for the Brits after his 1999 retirement. The Russian FSB claims that the British MI6 paid him $100,000 for his service. At that time a Russian officer would only make a few hundred bucks per month. Skripal was finally uncovered in 2004 and two years later convicted for spying for Britain. He was sentenced to 18 years and in 2010 he and other agents ware exchanged in a large spy swap between the United States and Russia. Skripal was granted refuge in Britain and has since lived openly under his own name in Salisbury. His wife and his son died over the last years of natural causes. The only near relative he has left is his daughter who continued to live in Russia.

Last week his daughter flew to Britain and met him in Salisbury. On Sunday they went to a pub and a restaurant. At some point they were poisoned or poisoned themselves. They collapsed on a public bench and are now in intensive care. A policeman on the scene was also seriously effected.

Authorities have declined to name the substance to which the pair is suspected to have been exposed, but:

Local media had on Monday reported the substance found at the scene to be similar to fentanyl: a lethally strong opioid available even on Salisbury’s soporific streets.
The British government is hinting at Russian involvement:

The attempted murder of ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, using a nerve agent was a “brazen and reckless” act, [home secretary] Amber Rudd has said.
Mr Skripal and his daughter are still critically ill after being found collapsed on a bench in Salisbury city centre on Sunday.
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Ms Rudd told MPs it was an “outrageous crime”, adding that the government would “act without hesitation as the facts become clearer”.

She refused to speculate on whether the Russian state might have been involved in the attack, saying the police investigation should be based on “facts, not rumour”.

While the British government is preparing the facts as it needs them, let us ask the ever important question of motive.

It was not Russian vengeance for Skripal’s earlier spying. He had been in Russian jails for four years and lived openly in Salisbury for eight. There was plenty of time to off him. Russia certainly does not need any more anti-Russian propaganda in “western” media. If a Russian service would want to kill someone it would do so without making such noise.

The former British ambassador Craig Murray suspects a different motive and culprit:

Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg - 10:21 AM - 8 Mar 2018
Russophobia is extremely profitable to the armaments, security and spying industries and Russophobia reinforces intellectually challenged voters in their Tory loyalty. Ramping Russophobia is the most convincing motive for the Skripal attack.
Ambassador Murray also points out that Salisbury, where the incident took place, is just 8 miles away from Porton Down, a chemical weapon test site run by the British government. As the BBC noted in a report about the place:

... chemical agents such as VX and mustard gas are still manufactured on site ...
I believe that Craig Murray is wrong. Russophobia can be stoked without attempting to publicly kill a retired spy and his daughter.

More likely motives can be found in the tight connection to another important affair. The British Telegraph reports today:

A security consultant who has worked for the company that compiled the controversial dossier on Donald Trump was close to the Russian double agent poisoned last weekend, it has been claimed.
The consultant, who The Telegraph is declining to identify, lived close to Col Skripal and is understood to have known him for some time.
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The Telegraph understands that Col Skripal moved to Salisbury in 2010 in a spy swap and became close to a security consultant employed by Christopher Steele, who compiled the Trump dossier.

The British security consultant, according to a LinkedIn social network account that was removed from the internet in the past few days, is also based in Salisbury.

On the same LinkedIn account, the man listed consultancy work with Orbis Business Intelligence, according to reports.

Meduza named the man the Telegraph declines to identify as:

Pablo Miller, who at the time was posing as Antonio Alvarez de Hidalgo and working in Britain’s embassy in Tallinn. Russia’s Federal Security Service says Miller was actually an undercover MI6 agent tasked with recruiting Russians.
Orbis is Christopher Steele’s company which was paid by the Clinton campaign to make up or find ‘dirt’ about Trump. Sergei Skripal was an agent Steele himself was likely involved with:

Steele had spent more than twenty years in M.I.6, most of it focussing on Russia. For three years, in the nineties, he spied in Moscow under diplomatic cover. Between 2006 and 2009, he ran the service’s Russia desk, at its headquarters, in London. He was fluent in Russian, and widely considered to be an expert on the country.
Steele was an MI6 undercover agent in Moscow around the time when Skripal was recruited and handed over Russian secrets to the MI6. He also ran the MI6 Russia desk so anything about Skripal will have passed through him. It is very likely that they personally knew each other. Pablo Miller, who worked for Steele’s private company, lived in the same town as Skripal and they seems to have been friends since Miller had recruited him. Miller or someone else attempted to cover up the connection to Steele by editing his LinkedIn entry.

Here are some question:

Did Skripal help Steele to make up the “dossier” about Trump?
Were Skripal’s old connections used to contact other people in Russia to ask about Trump dirt?
Did Skripal threaten to talk about this?
If there is a connection between the dossier and Skripal, which seems very likely to me, then there are a number of people and organizations with potential motives to kill him. Lots of shady folks and officials on both sides of the Atlantic were involved in creating and running the anti-Trump/anti-Russia campaign. There are several investigations and some very dirty laundry might one day come to light. Removing Skripal while putting the blame on Russia looks like a convenient way to get rid of a potential witness.

Update: Steele’s company issued a weak denial of Skripal’s involvement in the dossier:

Sources close to Orbis, the business intelligence firm run by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele, who was behind a dossier of compromising allegations against Donald Trump, said Mr Skripal did not contribute to the file. But they could not say whether Mr Skripal was involved in different investigations into the US President for other interested parties.


10 posted on 03/13/2018 1:01:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Related thread:
Tillerson: Ex-spy's poisoning 'clearly came from Russia'
11 posted on 03/13/2018 1:30:38 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Happy Nobama)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I bet he is SCARED.
Pathetic.


12 posted on 03/13/2018 1:38:55 AM PDT by ZULU (End the Obama/Holder "Promise" program, FIRE Runcie, the $335,000 Broward Co. Stupidintendent of Sc)
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To: DesertRhino
I don't know how anyone can be sure it wasn't just rub of the mill VX and they chose to say it was something only the Russians are known to have in particularly for the purpose of having an excuse to go along with more sanctions when the majority of the public doesn't even want to current sanctions to stay in place.

You'd think that will all the dirt that's come out about the US CIA and FBI clearly breaking the law (with the Brits helping them) to try and keep Trump from being elected and to undermine him since he was elected that people wouldn't still be so gullible but, when they have an agenda to push, 'facts' they can't possibly verify or contradict are good enough.

13 posted on 03/13/2018 1:46:10 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Theresa May’s government response means nothing.

One caller put the British government’s ability to respond last week on Nigel Farage’s radio show with a parody of a famous Oscar Wilde comedy calling it “The Impotence of Being Earnest”.

Of course there is a USA response coming here, too.

They couldn’t use Syria to drum up the war drums so England works better for the false flag?


14 posted on 03/13/2018 2:01:49 AM PDT by Nextrush (Freedom is everybody's business: Remember Pastor Niemoller)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

15 posted on 03/13/2018 2:06:51 AM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

So, the UK doesn’t have the cojones to eviscerate the Islamic cancer that is close to stage 4 and May thinks she can confront Putin? At least Putin will act decisively when he decides that that vile tribe should be cleaned out.

I am a UK fan, but am afraid that they are doomed.


16 posted on 03/13/2018 5:43:40 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Putin’s reply: “Ask Hillary.”


17 posted on 03/13/2018 6:11:27 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: DesertRhino

That is the sketchiest connection I have heard in a while.

“A security consultant who has worked for the company that compiled the controversial dossier on Donald Trump was close to the Russian double agent poisoned last weekend, it has been claimed.”


18 posted on 03/13/2018 6:16:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
May issues ultimatum to Moscow over Salisbury poisoning.

I always knew that there was something wrong with that stuff when they served it in the school lunchroom ...


19 posted on 03/13/2018 6:23:50 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Black Rifle Coffee - Freedom, guns, tits, bacon, and booze!)
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Tillerson: Ex-spy's Mr Skripal poisoning 'clearly came from Russia'

Sounds like Arkanmurder with the Secretary of state that might of been involved. Which is why he was fired.

20 posted on 03/16/2018 1:25:38 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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