Posted on 03/27/2018 9:34:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
At the risk of boring you, gentle reader, I find it necessary to revisit, for the third time in a week, the 1989 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Graham v. Connor, which defined how all courts (and everyone else) should evaluate a police officers use of force.
The reasonableness of a particular use of force, wrote Chief Justice Rehnquist for a unanimous Court, must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight. ... The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments -- in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving -- about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation. Its important to note that Graham arose from an incident in which police used force on a man who had not committed a crime, but whose behavior gave officers a reasonable suspicion that he had.
Which brings us to Sacramento, Calif., and the case of 22-year-old Stephon Clark, who was shot to death by two police officers in circumstances that were in every way tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving. On the night of March 18, two officers from the Sacramento Police Department responded to a radio call regarding a man who was seen breaking car windows in the citys Meadowview neighborhood. The officers, each driving a marked police car and both in uniform, were on foot and checking the area when deputies overhead in a Sacramento County Sheriffs Department helicopter directed them to a possible suspect, later identified as Clark.
Clark was seen running through a backyard and jumping over a fence, then looking into a car parked in the driveway of what was later revealed to be his grandmothers house, where Clark himself lived. The events that followed were captured on the two officers body-worn cameras and by the infrared camera in the helicopter. The Washington Post edited the videos and the accompanying audio, putting them together in a concise presentation that can be seen here.
As shown in the videos, an officer approaches Clark and at gunpoint orders him to show me your hands. Clark flees, running toward the backyard. The officer follows, soon joined by the second officer. Clark is ordered to stop, but instead he runs around the corner of the house and out of the officers view. The officers round the corner, then quickly retreat as one of them shouts, Show me your hands! Gun!
Both officers peek around the corner, at which time one of them shouts, Show me your hands! followed immediately by Gun, gun, gun! Both officers open fire, killing Clark.
It was later found that Clark, who was black, was carrying a cellphone, not a gun. His death has sparked protests in Sacramento, where demonstrators have shut down a freeway, blocked streets, and prevented ticketholders from entering the Golden 1 Center, where the Sacramento Kings and the Atlanta Hawks played before half-empty stands.
Now, now. That’s racis’. Just because it’s pitch dark, the “victim” appears to be trying to elude the ‘popo’, has something in his hand and is non compliant is no reason to shoot him 20 times. Al (not so)sharpton will be in town to set y’all straight. Looting in 3.....2...... If you weren’t on scene, don’t be telling the “truth” about what happened.
Sorry, but if a regular citizen in Sacramento had shot an unarmed person who was fleeing from them ten times for holding a cell phone they’d go to prison. Period.
But it’s okay for the cops to do it.
>>It is true that he did not have a gun, but it is also true that the officers believed he did at the time they fired.
Is that the acceptable standard for a citizen who kills a person in self-defense?
A victim of circumstance.
“But its okay for the cops to do it.”
The difference is the police are required to confront and apprehend.
And while not OK, it’s certainly within legal bounds.
Watch the video and I’d bet you too would pull the trigger.
And yet the killings of blacks by blacks in chicago and other democrat metropolis continue with zero protest from sharpton and company.
The blacks are always ready to yell “No justice no peace” when the police shoot a black perp but black on black crime and especially black on white crime is somehow justified or ignored.
20 rounds....yikes
Send the cops to the range.
Then send them to the optometrist for a vision check so they can distinguish a cell phone from a firearm.
>>It is true that he did not have a gun, but it is also true that the officers believed he did at the time they fired.
Is that the acceptable standard for a citizen who kills a person in self-defense?>>
Well, yes, actually it IS! If you can show that you had a reasonable fear of bodily harm, you ARE allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself! I wish every commenter on these kinds of posts would go through a “Shoot-Don’t Shoot” drill and see for themselves how hard it is to make a split second decision when their life is on the line.
The cops would like to go home to their family at the end of their shift. The reason that people call 911 is to ask an officer to deal with a situation that is beyond the average citizen’s ability to handle. It is not helpful when armchair quarterbacks with 20/20 hindsight pronounce judgments on an officer’s split-second reaction to a situation they have had hours to evaluate!
This is not ad hom: you’re a moron.
You know nothing about this incident.
The best way to avoid being shot by police is to avoid confrontations with the police. And if confronted, obey all orders immediately and explicitly. The former is much preferred to the latter and is the only way to guarantee not being shot.
Was he just out for a stroll and planning on going to “coll-eshz” ?
The unarmed person here knew he was being pursued by identified police officers and was trying to elude them causing suspicion about his intentions. He also had something in his hands that could be easily mistaken for a gun in the heat of the moment. A mistake, yes, but that’s what made it justifiable, my FRiend.
Wrong case, since in Graham the use of force was not deadly force. What Dunphy wants to quote is Tennessee v. Garner which ruled that police officers were not justified in using deadly force unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." That was not the case here. The suspect was unarmed. He had not made any threatening moves towards the officers or anyone else. He should not have been shot.
And what was the "reasonable fear of bodily harm" here? Getting beaten to death with a cell phone?
That's what they are paid to do. Confront and apprehend. Not stop and shoot to death.
"truff" you raciss honky.
If you had made that mistake you’d be going to prison.
That’s my point here.
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