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Orange County leaders vote to close gun purchase loophole(FL)
www.wftv.com ^ | 5/9/2018 | Deanna Allbrittin , Karen Parks

Posted on 05/09/2018 10:36:49 AM PDT by rktman

Orange County, Fla. - Orange County leaders passed a new ordinance Tuesday that would go against state law and make it more difficult to buy a gun.

After two hours of discussion, commissioners unanimously voted to create a 3-day waiting period and background checks for gun purchases.

Currently, licensed gun dealers are required to run a background check on buyers and wait three days before completing a sale. But at gun shows or flea markets, private gun dealers don’t have to meet those requirements.

After two hours of discussion, commissioners unanimously voted to change that, and require those unlicensed dealers to follow the same rules as licensed ones.

(Excerpt) Read more at wftv.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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Well, not up on the latest FL gun laws but as long as these assclowns are in compliance with state law........... If not, they're spinning their wheels. Used to be that cities and counties couldn't enact laws more stringent than those in the state law. In light of recent events, that may have changed but I don't think so. Corrections please....
1 posted on 05/09/2018 10:36:49 AM PDT by rktman
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Ignore it. Blatantly illegal and unenforceable under the state firearm preemption law. Better yet openly flaunt it, you will be in for a huge payday if they actually try to arrest you for violating it...


2 posted on 05/09/2018 10:42:35 AM PDT by apillar
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“...and require those unlicensed dealers to follow the same rules as licensed ones”.

These are not unlicensed dealers they are talking about, just private citizens who are allowed to make occasional sales of their own guns to residents of the state in which they live. They can buy a table at a gun show if they have a collection of their own guns to sale, but they can’t legally sell guns on a regular basis.


3 posted on 05/09/2018 10:47:08 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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Currently, licensed gun dealers are required to run a background check on buyers and wait three days before completing a sale . . . commissioners unanimously voted to change that, and require those unlicensed dealers to follow the same rules as licensed ones.

Private individuals do not become gun dealers simply because they sell one gun in a private sale, not any more than I became a car dealer when I sold my used car.

4 posted on 05/09/2018 10:58:20 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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Color me confused!
Are they requiring individual private sellers at flea markets to do a background check?

If so.........how the hell are they going to even enforce that?


5 posted on 05/09/2018 11:03:03 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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They would like.


6 posted on 05/09/2018 11:08:32 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Gonna be a lot of P.O.d gang bangers buying a gun out of some guys trunk, then being told they gots to come back in three days.


7 posted on 05/09/2018 11:13:17 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the Left, The truth is Right Wing Extremism.)
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With a filled out 4473?


8 posted on 05/09/2018 11:14:27 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Some years ago a man was arrested and convicted in Norfolk for open carrying in public. The case ended up in the Virginia Supreme Court, which ruled:
a. Open carry is allowed in Virginia by STATE law, and
b. No municipality can have an ordinance that defies STATE law.


9 posted on 05/09/2018 11:15:10 AM PDT by fredhead (Duty, Honor, Country.....Honor, Courage, Commitment)
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Unlike California, Illinois and other socialist governed states,Florida has a very strong state preemption law for left field maneuvers like this. It will fall flat on it’s face.


10 posted on 05/09/2018 11:16:23 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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Lying liars. There is no “gun show loophole”. Never was one.


11 posted on 05/09/2018 11:17:45 AM PDT by DocRock (And now is the time to fight! Peter Muhlenberg)
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First of all the writer, or city council or some other ignorant person starts off on a lie, a totally a false premise. To say that DEALERS do not have to do a background check at a flea market or gun show is an absolute lie. ANY licensed gun dealer must do a background check regardless where the sale takes place. The only time a background check is not done is when one private individual sells to another private individual, you know like you sell a gun to Joe next door. The gun show loop hole is now and always has been a damnable lie.


12 posted on 05/09/2018 11:19:08 AM PDT by WP Lonestar (No matter where you go, there you are)
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"They" changed that in WA state and tried here in NV (well they did change it) but they screwed it up so its not enforceable. But, they'll be back. I believe a couple of other states may have changed to require private individual sales to go through licensed dealers. 🐂💨💩
13 posted on 05/09/2018 11:24:09 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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In thew last few decades so many “new rights” has been found in the Constitution I cannot keep up with it.
Yet in only the 2nd Amendment are rights suddenly becoming more strict.
Perhaps we should go back to what the jurists in the 1800s thought about the 2nd.

From the long suppressed 1982 Congressional Report on THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS...Court cases..

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2015R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/68101

19. *
Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.)
243
, at
251
(1846)
.
“’The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.’ The right of the whole
people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear
arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be
infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the
important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so
vitally necessary to the security of a free State.”


14 posted on 05/09/2018 11:29:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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“...unlicensed dealers...”?????

So selling one of your extra guns now makes you an “unlicensed dealer”.


15 posted on 05/09/2018 11:31:03 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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Easy - send undercover agents to gun shows and offer to buy some poor guy’s rifle. After the sale is complete arrest him. Instant criminal.


16 posted on 05/09/2018 11:32:58 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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Totally unenforceable. States are sovereign, counties and cities are not. The latter can only exercise what power the state ALLOWS them to have. The State of Florida allows county and city government no power when it comes to gun laws. This is just empty virtue signaling.


17 posted on 05/09/2018 11:54:41 AM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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Pretty sure you cannot use the FBI NICS without an FFL.


18 posted on 05/09/2018 12:06:20 PM PDT by Do_Tar (To my NSA handler: Only kidding.)
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>“...unlicensed dealers...”?????

Please, that’s “Undocumented Entrepreneur”.


19 posted on 05/09/2018 12:10:49 PM PDT by Do_Tar (To my NSA handler: Only kidding.)
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Yup. So by WA law you “must” both “report” to an FFL to have the check done. Yeah, okay. I’m sure there’s 100% compliance.


20 posted on 05/09/2018 12:14:27 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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