Posted on 06/21/2018 12:15:19 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments
But now the FBI has managed to anger both major political parties and much of the country. It's demonstrated its capacity for political meddling and misuse of power—even if people disagree on who was on the receiving end.
That offers a rare opportunity to pull the plug on a dangerously powerful agency at a moment when its potential for bias, arrogance, insubordination, and plain incompetence are on public display. Let's kill the FBI while we can.
(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...
Look at the old movies and photos of heroic federal agents gleefully destroying millions of dollars worth of perfectly good alcoholic beverages during prohibition. The same mentality would permit them to gleefully drive unarmed people onto cattle cars. Nature of the law enfircement beast...will follow orders and enjoy it.
“As san Bernardino, Boston and several other terror acts show.. the fbi waits til th hey kill people to do thier job. Hexk any local PD could do thier job.”
Seems like they always have the perps on their radar. And do nothing.
Terminate FBI. It is a lawless, law enforcement agency. If we review how and why it was created, we’ll probably decide to reverse that process.
Post # 34 by qaz123 was very good. I look at these yes men who will run with whatever their bosses tell them. Think of the East German border guards whose job was to shoot anyone trying to escape. They had those jobs because they were ‘trusted’. No conscience. Strozk was in the 101st Airborne according to his lawyer. That gives him the right to screw someone else’s wife and get caught up in taking down Trump. The definition of ‘getting caught up’ is THINKING the bosses will be there for you when the SHTF.
>> The FBI has been meddling in high level politics since J. Edgar Hoover <<
Yeah, for sure, old J. Edgar never meddled in politics. Those files he kept on FDR, JFK, LBJ and others were just for his genealogy hobby.
>> That must’ve been when FBI was recruiting from military and law enforcement <<
Back in the good old days of JEH, the FBI did not recruit from law enforcement and the military as a matter of general policy. Back then, an FBI agent had to be either a lawyer or a licensed CPA. You can look it up.
(If an applicant happened to be a vet or an ex-cop, so much the better. But it was not a requirement. And it was fairly uncommon.)
As I was reading this article (As D.C. Corruption Mounts, Here’s How The American People Can Get Justice), I was beginning to think of a solution that was close to where the author ended up.
What if the FBI were disbanded as a federal agency, and replaced by a different organization that was populated by the states themselves? Each state would delegate a number of investigators to serve at the pleasure of their home state, and this body would become a federal investigative bureau.
As is with the militia, the Constitution provides for calling up the militias for national service, but the officers are selected by the states. It might not be a stretch to declare that state militias have investigators as a component of a military police, and then use the militia clause in the Constitution to call up the state militias' investigative arms for federal service, with state appointed officers.
Each state can create a branch of their militia as MPs, or detectives. These people would report to militia officers appointed within each state, and then these militia branches (officers and detectives) would be called up at the request the Commander-In-Chief and approval by Congress (Article I Section 8: "to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions,") to serve a national priority such as investigating a particular federal crime, under the authority of state officers, not federal bureaucrats. The state officers will report directly to the Commander-In-Chief (Article II Section II: "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States"). Once the investigation is complete, the investigating team is released back to the states. If a crime occurred in one state, then the militia police from another state can be called up to investigate. Several investigations across several states can operate in parallel, if needed.
I have done process reviews and root cause analyses in my past, and what we look for are systemic causes of failures, not behavioral causes. Part of that review is identifying the protective systems that were in place to prevent what happened from happening, and to brainstorm additional protective systems to catch whatever still slipped through.
Lax management enforcement of process compliance might be a systemic cause if the fix were to reinforce the importance of process compliance and put consequences on management for lack of process discipline. However, in the recent examples of FBI failure, management was not lax in oversight, they were also complicit actors in avoiding the process. This is still behavioral, so the systemic root cause is not yet found.
I'm going to suggest that the systemic root cause of the recent FBI disfunction is the "independent" nature of the FBI itself. This was magnified by the behavioral causes that top management felt they were unaccountable to anyone, and that a single ideological mindset became established through years of political appointments that controlled the hiring practices of lower-level staff. Using management reinforcement to correct the root cause is ineffective given that management is a part of the problem. Therefore, we must look to other protective systems for corrections.
One protective system is the Inspector General. While this seems to be working now, in hindsight it doesn't seem to have been effective at the time the actions were taking place. When the bad actors are the top management itself in a department, an IG is too easily bypassed. Therefore, a new protective system must be put in place.
My proposed corrective system is to replace a federal-centric FBI with a state-centric investigative agency. This agency would have distributed leadership, since by following the militia model in the Constitution, the "officers" would be selected by the states and would be subject to recall at the whim of the home state. A single monolithic mindset cannot become entrenched, since concerned states can replace their officers at any time.
I suggested attaching this investigative militia to the Commander-In-Chief directly on a case-by-case basis, with some provision for a senior officer hierarchy to manage separate state contingents. Since Congress has the authority to call up the militia, but the President is the Commander-In-Chief of the militia, there is a check-and-balance already in place. If a state investigative team finds evidence of a crime, the President can refer charges to the Department of Justice for further prosecutorial action.
There would be no need for a Special Prosecutor, as the investigative arm of the called up militia units can do this. The Department of Justice can aid the investigations with grand juries, and criminal referrals would be passed along to the Department of Justice for action.
The President can then release the militia units back to the states, preventing a runaway special prosecutor from expanding the scope of the investigation. "Process crimes," such as lying to the FBI, would go away as an especially nefarious tool of an over-zealous prosecutor.
-PJ
Will some, absolutely. Others, will not. The US does have some mindless, robots wearing uniforms and enforcing the laws. But, a good number of folks in law enforcement are not mindless robots. There are plenty that have a lot of common sense and deal with the public with as much discretion as the law allows and that is a lot.
Most of them are not like the minions of Maduro, etc, who do his bidding so their families won’t starve to death.
CTU, and hire Jack bauer to head it up.
Exactly, and the FBI needs to be eliminated as well.
That is exactly true.
You are assuming that this all occurred in the open, but highly unlikely that was the case at all. Some FBI personnel may commit crimes, but they are not likely to do so as cavalierly as you suggest. You also seem to forget that whistleblowers are reluctant to do so, especially high up on the ladder. Many have lost everything in their attempt to do the right thing. Some may have even lost their life for all we know. Not everyone is willing to put their family members in jeopardy with either financial ruin or death threats that may be more than just idle threats.
But yes, it's always easy for someone not facing the realities to claim they would do the right thing regardless of the costs. Maybe you are one of those who actually would, I don't know. But let me know when you actually face a similar situation, with proof that your statement is something more than just a statement devoid of real authenticity and not just bravado. Because quite frankly I have heard many who say they would do this or that, and when actually faced with the situation they do not deliver. Like I said, I am not claiming you are one of those people who does not deliver, merely that until you do deliver and provide proof, I am skeptical. Since I do not know you I have nothing to gauge even which I might believe you to be. If you really are that kind of person, my hat is off to you. Many are not, and most likely the majority are not. While I myself would like to think I would always do the right thing I can't even claim that I would with certainty.
“Because quite frankly I have heard many who say they would do this or that, and when actually faced with the situation they do not deliver.”
If I looked the other way at corruption, then I would deserve to be called a coward. I would feel dirty taking taxpayer money for my salary and pension. I would also have contempt for any apologist who tried to excuse my actions.
These Good Agents (if they even exist) sat by and said NOTHING while Hillary nearly got elected. They still say nothing to this day. They are silent accomplices in the destruction of our Republic and Constitution. Cowardly scumbags is what their legacy will be.
So if you really are that kind of person, then bravo and my hat is off to you, but I still remain skeptical.
Here is the story of one who actually did, and he is still at it, so we know he was that kind. But he is the exceptional, not the norm:
Part 1: Kevin Shipp, CIA Officer Exposes the Shadow Government
Part 2: Kevin Shipp, CIA Officer, Exposes Shadow Government
“Have you ever actually done what you claim you would do?”
Try reading my post. I didn’t claim I would do anything. I said if I remained silent I would consider myself a coward. I would deserve the shame and scorn of my fellow Americans.
Nice that you’re so understanding of Good Agents who are silent accomplices while their country is being sold down the tube. They are not patriots, Mr Apologist.
Yes. Its very unConstitutionality makes it inherently corrupt.
I can - barely - accept U. S. Marshals; they should be the on!y Federal LEOs.
Yep. States’ Rights. Good.
Once you speak up is when those with real power will unleash it upon you. Now if you are speaking up about another agent on your level, then he may actually take a fall. Then again he may not, and you may be the one taking the fall. Because you were unaware that he was operating with the blessing of higher ups.
You had to go personal and label my an apologist. What I really am is a realist who understands what you obviously know very little about.
“Are you under the misguided assumption that you can make accusations & claims and remain anonymous?”
I never said that or implied it. Try reading my posts instead of reading things into them. I am fully aware that severe consequences can result.
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“You had to go personal and label my an apologist.”
If the shoe fits...
If this had been posted a few years ago I would've been flamed or banned. I was expecting some hostility now, but I don't see a single disagreement. I guess some people are waking up. Hope it's not too late.
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