Posted on 06/21/2018 12:15:19 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments
But now the FBI has managed to anger both major political parties and much of the country. It's demonstrated its capacity for political meddling and misuse of power—even if people disagree on who was on the receiving end.
That offers a rare opportunity to pull the plug on a dangerously powerful agency at a moment when its potential for bias, arrogance, insubordination, and plain incompetence are on public display. Let's kill the FBI while we can.
(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...
I’ve had the opportunity to work with some really great people from the FBI. And they are as good as they come. But, being in the FBI wasn’t what made them good men and women. They had a work ethic and integrity. Maybe I was just lucky.
That being said, they really aren’t needed anymore. Over time, rightly or wrongly, every federal agency has obtained their own law enforcement capabilities.
Years ago, when folks were up in arms over the Social Security Administration buying guns and ammo, they all wanted to know why SS personnel even had guns. Well, they probably felt they had to since, they conduct criminal investigations, too. So, instead of asking their local FBI agent to do their work, they got their own. Actually, a great idea. Why? Over time, their agent develops a skill set that will make them very good at conducting an investigation on SS fraud, etc. Same goes for all the other agencies that have law enforcement personnel. HUD has their own. They conduct investigations, on a wide variety of things, that specifically have to do with HUD assets.
Well, after 9/11 the FBI, went full bore on the whole CounterTerrorism thing. DHS was formed as a clearing house and place to deconflict overlapping investigations. No guys with guns. Well, now they have guys with guns and they have no real mandate, so the mission creep into everything. Get rid of the FBI, let the agents find jobs with the other agencies, go to the private sector or retire.
FBI has a long and sordid history of doing some insane and illegal sh*t. From Waco - Ruby Ridge - their Crime Lab scandal - the coverup of the shooting of Levoy Finicum - Garland, Tx Draw Mohammed Contest - case after case bordering on entrapment ... I could type for a long time.
They need to go the way of the DoDo. Either that, or you get a REAL COP, a guy like Darryl Gates, to go in there and initiate an absolute blood letting to clean it out. Some agents would absolutely love to work for a guy like that, most would probably resign or retire.
Try it and the ghost of J. Edgar will rise from the ground with copies of all the files he kept on everyone, and a lot of political families will go down in flames.
Which is why killing off the FBI sounds great, but it will never happen.
Severely shrink it and re-name it the Office of Local Law Enforcement Assistance, helping state, county and local police in solving crimes they don’t have a lot of experience with or are overwhelmed by. Get it out of the federal law enforcement business. Assign that job to the US Marshals Service and others, and transfer the appropriate people there. Give their counterintelligence duties to the military branches.
Kill the current FBI and replace it with a new Investigative and Counterintelligence Agency.
Most current FBI employees will transfer to the new agency. But transfers would only occur after successful screening. The current FBI staff would go through the equivalent of a “denazification” process wherein the Leftist Agendanistas would be purged and involuntarily separated from federal government employment and not hire by the successor Agency.
Ouch ..... but you’re probably correct.
The FBI sat on its hands for 50 years while communists infiltrated every Fed agency. They let the DEEP STATE take over.
I think the core job requirements need to be laid out, and built into three or four functional areas.
The cyber stuff needs to be it’s own agency, and maybe it’s own cabinet-level job (I wouldn’t have said that five years ago).
The DoJ needs to be very limited in it’s relationship with what remains of the FBI. Anything that has to do with money-crimes...ought to go over to the Treasury department.
As they stand right now today....there is no level of trust. They can’t exist in the same form. And I’d be willing to hear the argument of moving half of their work efforts outside of DC....maybe to some place like St Louis or Charleston. They need to be outside of the beltway.
This is not Deep State in its entirety, but it's a remarkably alarming and visible - and shameless - subset, and they mean to rule. They have professional access to the largest collection of blackmail material since Hillary stole their own FBI files to, IIRC, very little protest and no action whatever. This has been going on and getting worse for a long time. Congress doesn't possess a scalpel in this scenario, all they have is a hammer, and it's time for the hammer to come down.
Like wishing for a flying unicorn that farts rainbows and Moon Pies. Entertaining thought based on a fantasy . . .
I hear what you’re saying, but I don’t think you can come up with any core job requirements, for them, that are currently or can’t be handled by another agency.
You said it perfectly ... Anything that has to do with money-crimes...ought to go over to the Treasury department.
Let the DEA handle drugs. Let the Marshals handle fugitives and the federal courts. Let the ATF handle guns and bombs. I think Treasury should handle the alcohol and tobacco side of that, since it’s all about tax revenue. Get rid of the BLM cops and let the National Park Service and Fish & Wildlife handle that stuff.
You make a great point with regards to the Cyber threats we have. We need agencies that concentrate on a specialty.
FBI is an octopus that, when they couldn’t find work they stuck their noses under everyone’s tent, declared all things a national security threat and were able to take control. Problem is, most agency heads have no problems with that, especially when things go horribly wron(Waco and Ruby Ridge). Do most people know that Ruby Ridge started out as an ATF, then US Marshal, incident? Do most people know that Waco started as an ATF operation? All the know or probably, begrudgingly admit, is that an FBI sniper murdered Randy Weaver’s wife and they burned kids alive. But, they got a pass on all of that because the media made the Weaver’s and the Branch Davidian’s out to be Satan’s spawn. Problem is, they really aren’t good at any of it.
My opinion is, they are not needed. Every crime can be investigated by the agency that has subject matter expertise, in that area.
As for moving them outside of DC. All of them, save a small handful of the top levels that need to go to Congress and see the President, need to be gone.
The FBI *started* as a rogue, blackmailing, unethical and illegally-behaving agency.
People expected that to improve?
The FBI needs to be completely dismantled.
The idea that each federal bureaucracy should have its own police force armed to the teeth is the worst idea I’ve heard in a long time. I’m not the only one who thinks so =>
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“Too Many Federal Agencies Have Created Their Own Private Armies”
April 21, 2014 | By Ernest Istook
Posted on 4/21/2014, 8:02:39 PM by Jim Robinson
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Collectively, over 25,000 individuals now work as armed agents of federal agencies not usually associated with law enforcement.
These are not just guards. These agents go out on raids to enforce the orders of federal bureaucracies. No bureaucracy should have a private army to enforce its orders against the American people.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3147099/posts
If this is allowed to blow over, if Obama, Lynch, Rice, Hillary and on down are allowed to walk as if there was no abuse of power by team Obama, who among us will trust the election of the any future rat to the Presidency? Not good in a republic.
BTW, “bias” isn’t the problem. We must use “abuse of power” instead to turn this scandal into Watergate X10.
Abuse of Power. Obamagate.
If I was serving on a Federal jury I would dismiss any evidence related to the FBI -- either an agent's testimony or evidence gathered by FBI personnel -- as irrelevant and patently false.
If enough Americans had that same attitude, there would be no reason to have an FBI anymore.
East Germany survived the opening of the Stasi files, we will survive this.
The FBI has been meddling in high level politics since J. Edgar Hoover. Felt, Freeh, Comey, McCabe are simply some of the more obvious cases
“Try it and the ghost of J. Edgar will rise from the ground with copies of all the files he kept on everyone, and a lot of political families will go down in flames.”
I can think of one politician who is immune from that. And he just happens to have the sole power to declassify every secret the DS has.
Just get rid of the FBI and block grant the money back to the states. Let them deal with interstate crime in their own way.
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