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As someone pointed out, the US as part of an agreement to remove nuclear weapons from the Ukraine made promises around guaranteeing the territorial integrity of said country. Why are we not at war with Russia over the Ukraine? I agree with Bismarck: The whole of the Balkans is not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian .
1 posted on 07/19/2018 6:30:15 AM PDT by C19fan
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As I wrote on another thread, the Founders warned us against entangling alliances. So did World War I.

For each new NATO member, one must ask, “Is the added risk worth it?”


2 posted on 07/19/2018 6:33:02 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine ("It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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The EU encompasses 500 MM people almost 4 times Russia’s. The GDP of the EU is over $17 trillion compared to $1.3 trillion for Russia. Europe has all the resources to defend itself.


3 posted on 07/19/2018 6:33:08 AM PDT by C19fan
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We should kick Turkey out.


4 posted on 07/19/2018 6:33:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Neo-cons are STILL trying to get us into a war with Russia.


5 posted on 07/19/2018 6:34:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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NATO is an outdated concept. It does not enhance the security of the American people.


6 posted on 07/19/2018 6:36:14 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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I don’t think most Americans - the majority of whom couldn’t correctly point out Montenegro on a world map - would be willing to have a large war over Montenegro or Latvia if push came to shove, no matter what NATO or our politicians may say now.


7 posted on 07/19/2018 6:36:37 AM PDT by Trump20162020
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I think the EU’s participation in Spygate should put paid to staying in NATO.


10 posted on 07/19/2018 6:37:44 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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Ethiopia was not worth the bones of one European to save Haile Salassi from Mussolini. The German occupation of the Rhineland was not worth the bones of a single Frenchman to stop Hitler. The Russian attack on Finland was not worth the bones of a single European to stop Stalin. The Japanese attack on Manchuria was not worth the bones of a single European to stop Japanese expansion. The Indonesian attack on Papua New Guinea was not worth the bones of a single Australian to stop Indonesian militarism. The Iranian occupation of the US Embassy was not worth the bones of a single American to stop Khomeini and Islamist expansion. Etc., etc., etc.


13 posted on 07/19/2018 6:38:58 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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Screw Mountednegros. Get me home from Walmart alive.


17 posted on 07/19/2018 6:40:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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Because if we didn’t violate all of the agreements we made, like promising NATO wouldn’t ever expand, and having Soros do color revolutions in Ex-Soviet States, particularly Ukraine, they wouldn’t have done it.

Neocon warmongers like Breedlove and Nuland wanted Ukraine to kick the Russian navy out of Crimea which would have crippled their Black Sea Fleet. Do you think we would have acted any differently if our navy was being crippled?

Neocons have a pathological hatred of Russia and want to grind it into the dust.


23 posted on 07/19/2018 6:45:55 AM PDT by Shadow44
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I watched Tucker last night. I want to like him, but like so many other shows on Fox (the only place to go that is not all anti-Trump), Tucker can become just a shout down match between he and his guests.

That said, when the shouting was over, the main point was that NATO used to be half the number of nations it is today, and each time the club is made bigger, it becomes both riskier in terms of treaty obligations, and watered down in terms of shared defense costs.


24 posted on 07/19/2018 6:48:10 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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Can we impeach President French?


26 posted on 07/19/2018 6:53:11 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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Hey National Review, if we wanted Northrup Grumman’s opinion we would just ask them.


27 posted on 07/19/2018 6:54:40 AM PDT by The Toll
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As someone pointed out, the US as part of an agreement to remove nuclear weapons from the Ukraine made promises around guaranteeing the territorial integrity of said country. Why are we not at war with Russia over the Ukraine?

We do not have a treaty with the Ukraine that guarantees our coming to their defense in the event they are attacked. That's why.

29 posted on 07/19/2018 6:55:43 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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I visited Montenegro back in May. Beautiful country and gracious, hard working people. My local tour guide pointed out that Russians have purchased most of the prime real estate there. So, in essence, Russia already owns Montenegro.


31 posted on 07/19/2018 6:57:51 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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No, no we shouldn’t.

One need only to look at France and the UK to realize how the sacrifices made by the US in WWI and WWII have been blithely and completely pi$$ed away.


33 posted on 07/19/2018 6:59:53 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Hey, Rocky--Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!)
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OK Mr. French, your son goes first


35 posted on 07/19/2018 7:08:07 AM PDT by slumber1 (Islam delenda est)
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I play in a hockey league with a lot of vets who were in Iraq and Af-Pak. They are all living their lives and moving forward, but I hear a lot of stories, see a few visible scars and learn a lot more about other men and women who really suffered some grievous wounds.

Every one of them would suit up again if America needed them, but I fear to God that someone like David French would be the one asking.


36 posted on 07/19/2018 7:10:41 AM PDT by PGR88
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Yes, We Should Fight for Montenegro

Though it has been relegated to the dustbin of "History", George Washington's warning about foreign alliances and entanglements certainly applies. World War I began due to foreign entanglements in the Balkans from countries that really didn't want to get involved, resulting the vast majority of fighting and casualties endured by other countries far from the Balkans.

The President is absolutely correct in posing the question whether we should shed American blood, riches and risk the destruction of our Country over Montenegro. If russian, or someone else's tanks roll in, there will be no time to debate, only react. The thing that perplexes me about this whole issue is that he is being criticized by the group (dems) who don't support America abroad in war or peace and who won't even stand for the Anthem.

40 posted on 07/19/2018 7:23:40 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ('DEPLORABLE' Charter Member of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - and DAMN Proud of it!.)
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We are being invaded on the southern border, will Montenegro come help us?


41 posted on 07/19/2018 7:29:47 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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