Seagram’s Heiress Among 4 Arrested In Connection To NXIVM Sex Cult

CBS ^ | July 24, 2018

[palmer]

Re “pizzagate”. It was a lie. Or do you think we should send another dipshit with a rifle to check it out again? There is no basement.

[mylife]

Well it’s for the chilrunz.

Meanwhile on the border, and Waco....

[DiogenesLamp]

Re “pizzagate”. It was a lie.

You obviously did not keep up with the story. I read every thread which I saw regarding the subject, and it looked to me like there was clearly some serious hints of wrongdoing coming out of this "pizzagate" business.

Since then, they've been bit shredding any past records on Comet Pizza and pedo-centric stuff that they could. The only things we have left are screen and image captures of what used to be online information.

Or do you think we should send another dipshit with a rifle to check it out again?

Just because a nut showed up and went crazy doesn't prove that there weren't fishy doings at Comet Pizza and involving the Podesta's and others.

I've seen enough "smoke" to think there might actually be a fire. The latest stuff about James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy) and the Sarah Silverman thread makes the thing a whole lot more credible.

[yldstrk]

I don’t get why it seems like fun to these freaks to have sex with a screaming crying child......

[palmer]

some serious hints of wrongdoing

I agree. And none of that had anything to do with Comet Pizza and the fictitious basement where they kept the victims. One purpose of Pizzagate is to deflect from Haiti, from Epstein, and at least some wierdness in the Podesta brothers. The second purpose of Pizzagate was to unhinge some people so they would show up at Comet pizza with a rifle. That;'s a two-fer for the Dems, they can promote gun control and promote the meme that their opposition is a bunch of conspiracy nuts.

Just because a nut showed up and went crazy doesn't prove that there weren't fishy doings at Comet Pizza and involving the Podesta's and others.

There's no logic to that statement. There's no evidence for Comet Pizza child sex. Possible evidence for Podesta. But please realize the way that Pizzagate turns off independents. It looks bad, because it is bad. It turned out especially bad for our side.

[COUNTrecount]

Gillibrand’s father was a lawyer for the cult.

[UCANSEE2]

There's no evidence for Comet Pizza child sex.

True. AND, it's just a coincidence that wealthy and politically powerful people who are allegedly involved in some form of child trafficking and child abuse had meetings there in the back room, protected by the cover of children/adolescents and live bands in the main area .

Everyone , including the children, were there to eat that 'foo foo' pizza.

[DiogenesLamp]

I agree. And none of that had anything to do with Comet Pizza and the fictitious basement where they kept the victims. One purpose of Pizzagate is to deflect from Haiti, from Epstein, and at least some wierdness in the Podesta brothers. The second purpose of Pizzagate was to unhinge some people so they would show up at Comet pizza with a rifle. That;'s a two-fer for the Dems, they can promote gun control and promote the meme that their opposition is a bunch of conspiracy nuts.

There may be something to that, but there was quite a lot of wierdity attached to James Alefantis and Comet Pizza. There are/were youtube videos showing some of the parties he threw in that place at night, and I recall seeing one where the transvestite announcer was responding to a shout from the audience about Alefantis using children, and the announcer laughs and says "We all have our preferences."

There's no logic to that statement. There's no evidence for Comet Pizza child sex. Possible evidence for Podesta. But please realize the way that Pizzagate turns off independents. It looks bad, because it is bad. It turned out especially bad for our side.

There is some. Did you see the weird child torture/snuff art he exhibited in the place? Here's a picture of James Alefantis in his establishment. It will probably get pulled by the moderator.

Do you know what that thing on his shirt says? Do you know how close that is to his made up name?

Yes, Pizzagate turns off independents, because the media has done everything possible to spike it and portray anyone sniffing in this direction as a kook lunatic that might shoot people.

Trouble is, there is too much about it that just looks and smells fishy.

Here's something else from "Jimmy Comet's" instagram feed that has been erased.

What is that supposed to mean? What is supposed to be meant by "give the child the bloody sword"?

There is a whole lot more. Disgustingly more. And Worse.

[blueplum]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6857201/step-daughter-nigel-havers-arrested-nxivm/

...THE heiress step-daughter of British screen star Nigel Havers has been arrested over her connections to an alleged US sex cult.
Clare Bronfman, 39,...Clare Bronfman’s mother, British-born Georgiana, is now married to Chariots of Fire star Havers, 66.

Bronfman’s father was late Canadian billionaire Edgar Bronfman Sr, the former CEO of beverage firm Seagram and a former associate of Sir Richard Branson....

[freebird5850]

Explains Hillary’s latest dress appearance. To deflect.

[palmer]

I don't have images when I freep from work (text only) but I'll take your word for it. There is some disgusting stuff out there, but there is no basement at Comet Pizza. Unless it is secret and extremely well hidden. Any theories that rely on that much secrecy and hiding can probably be discounted.

The media has used pizzagate to discredit the opposition to Podesta and Hillary and that doesn't mean they invented it to do that. But it is a fact that pizzagate discredits the opposition and is used to paint them all as loons. The provinance for the evidence (the pictures from alleged instagram feeds) is murky. It is not enough to say some redditor grabbed and saved it before it was pulled or deleted. So given the uncertainty of the origin of the evidence and the fact that it paints the opposition as loons, I pass on it, unless something more substantial comes up.

[sweetiepiezer]

High level people in Clinton campaign, is that why bond is 100 million dollars?

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Old story, related to Hillary cult friends.

https://nypost.com/2007/10/01/hillarys-30000-fans-are-her-cult-following/

[DiogenesLamp]

There is some disgusting stuff out there, but there is no basement at Comet Pizza.

I don't regard that as a central aspect of the PizzaGate concern. Yes, some people said that, and it was entirely speculation. There were photographs of dungeon/basement like images on the Jimmy Comet instagram feed, or perhaps that of Podesta. I recall seeing the images, but that was almost two years ago.

The media has used pizzagate to discredit the opposition to Podesta and Hillary and that doesn't mean they invented it to do that. But it is a fact that pizzagate discredits the opposition and is used to paint them all as loons.

Well yes, this is of course true. The media has pointed out the kook with the gun looking for the basement, and made certain the public was aware that there was no basement at Comet Pizza. What the media deliberately refrained from making the public aware of, was the weirdo sick sh*t that James Alefantis and Tony Podesta and company said, showed images of, and suggested. The public has only seen one side of this issue, and that is the side the media wants them to see.

Look, i'm not convinced that PizzaGate is exactly what the more histrionic among us claim it is, but i've seen enough to convince me that what is/was going on in this circle of people is not normal, and it explicitly involves children. There are links to the Haiti child abductions and exploitation, there are links to known pedophiles in other parts of the world, and there is a whole pile of wierdo sh*t that doesn't make any sense outside of child exploitation.

So given the uncertainty of the origin of the evidence and the fact that it paints the opposition as loons, I pass on it, unless something more substantial comes up.

You don't consider this NIXVM sex cult thing "more substantial"? Same circle of people, just the New York cult instead of the Washington DC cult. Big Hillary supporters and members of the Clinton foundation. Who would have believed that so many women would be branded with the initials of the heads of this sex cult? Sounds like crazy talk, but it happened to be true.

The opposition looks like loons because they speculate and because the media paints them as loons. They did exactly the same thing with the "Birthers" who, if you got off the stupid "born in Kenya" theory, most of them made some very good points on the question of Article II and whether or not 14th amendment citizenship constitutes "natural born".

The media painted Reagan as an affable old fool, Nixon was a crook, Bush was a party boy idiot, and Clinton was a brilliant Genius Rhodes Scholar.

The media play for the opposition. Their portrayals of people are based on whether or not they are good for the Democrat party, and pretty much nothing else.

I'm just saying keep an open mind, and don't dismiss the possibility yet. One of Hillary's prominent campaign staffers was indicted for some sick sh*t.

Unsealed Indictment released for Hillary Clinton campaign chairman Joel Davis. PDF

And yes, it involves children.

[stevio]

Glad I’ve stopped drinking Seagram’s products.

[palmer]

Was Joel Davis a Clinton campaign staffer? The AP says no: Davis was not referred to, cited or quoted as a member of the Clinton campaign team in any news story published between 2012 and 2017, according to an archive search of all newspaper, television transcripts and newswire services around the world.

I understand pretty well about the Haiti child trafficking woman. She could have done it for adoption, or for sexual exploitation, but it is trafficking either way. The problem with sayihg the media is always false or at least always covering for the Clintons, like with the AP's Joel Davis statement, is it doesn't allow for independent factual research. He certainly is or was a HIllary supporter in 2016. But any offficial role is unclear. I would want to see the evidence for it.

[palmer]

BTW, it's really not a good idea to link images from random websites like themillenniumreport.com and ibankcoin.com as you did above. First because that is unhelpful with provenance. If someone asks where the image came from, the only thing we can say is from a completely anonymous website that nobody has ever heard of.

But more importantly, using images from just anyone's website means they can trivially associate our IP address with our screen name. They just have to match the timing in their website logs with the timestamp on our comments. That is unlikely with imgur or 100's of other image hosting services. Either they do not keep logs or they are unlikely to be tracking people through logs.

If the images are part of a disinfo campaign and they are being tracked (two if's that may or may not be true), then the people behind the campaign can more effectively target their audience.

[UCANSEE2]

John Podesta - #PizzaGate - Child Sex Trafficking - Satanic Occultism - The Deep State's Use Of Pedophilia As A Means Of Compromising Individuals And Controlling Them

[DiogenesLamp]

Was Joel Davis a Clinton campaign staffer? The AP says no: Davis was not referred to, cited or quoted as a member of the Clinton campaign team in any news story published between 2012 and 2017, according to an archive search of all newspaper, television transcripts and newswire services around the world.

The Freeper that posted the story here at Free Republic said he was, and then linked the indictment. I didn't bother to check if this is true because one would think someone wouldn't post it here if it had no basis in fact.

Looking around, I see several stories claiming Davis worked for Hillary's campaign, but I see nothing to indicate he was, as has been alleged, her "Campaign Chairman. He was *a* campaign chairman, but not for Hillary. I think someone just saw the words "Campaign Chairman" and "worked for Hillary", and made an unsupported extrapolation.

But any offficial role is unclear. I would want to see the evidence for it.

I think characterizing him that way was the result of a mistake. I think some people in their zeal, get sloppy.

Including me.

[UCANSEE2]

[DiogenesLamp]

BTW, it's really not a good idea to link images from random websites like themillenniumreport.com and ibankcoin.com as you did above. First because that is unhelpful with provenance. If someone asks where the image came from, the only thing we can say is from a completely anonymous website that nobody has ever heard of.

It is somewhat unavoidable if you want to show what was originally on now wiped sources. Back in the early days of this, you could look at original sources, like James Alefantis' instragram and you could find youtube videos regarding the parties and artwork in "Comet Pizza."

Now this information only exists in capture form on kook websites.

But more importantly, using images from just anyone's website means they can trivially associate our IP address with our screen name. They just have to match the timing in their website logs with the timestamp on our comments. That is unlikely with imgur or 100's of other image hosting services. Either they do not keep logs or they are unlikely to be tracking people through logs.

I have never really been concerned about people getting my IP address, I just assumed it was the cost of doing business on the net. Perhaps I should be more concerned, because there are out there violent Antifa types, and other liberal hate groups that will dox people if they can. We seem to be entering a different era, and one in which people need to be more proactive about letting people know who they are. The left is seemingly ramping up retaliation against dissent.

I will have to start using proxies to link stuff, I suppose.

If the images are part of a disinfo campaign and they are being tracked (two if's that may or may not be true), then the people behind the campaign can more effectively target their audience.

The images i've posted so far are things I myself saw on James Alefantis' image feed before he deleted everything. Also the Podesta emails (some of which weirdly concentrate on pizza using bizarre references to it) are out there from Wikileaks, and I think they are what started this whole Pizza focused topic.

I find myself in a funny position. I have never been a whole hog proponent of this "Pizza Gate" business, i've just been keeping up with what other people have found and shown in the past. I didn't keep copies, I didn't make any records, and I didn't intend to ever try to prove any of this to anyone.

I've just seen enough of what people have found to make me think something really stinks, and that there is quite possibly a "there" there.

But I don't know. I just keep open the possibility that there is until I see better proof that there isn't.