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Trump suggests France would have been defeated without U.S.
The Columbian ^ | November 13, 2018 | Darlene Superville, The Associated Press

Posted on 11/13/2018 10:53:06 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

President Donald Trump escalated his verbal assaults against France on Tuesday, suggesting that America’s stalwart European ally would have been vanquished in both world wars if not for the military firepower provided by the United States.

Trump tweeted about a suggestion by French President Emmanuel Macron that Europe build up its militaries because the continent can no longer depend on the U.S. for defense. Macron had also said Europe needs to protect itself against cyberthreats from China, Russia and the U.S.

Macron’s comments were inaccurately reported and Trump continues to misrepresent them, seemingly for political hay. The French leader’s office said Trump had lumped together Macron’s remarks on protecting against cyber-threats and “interference in our democracies” from “China, Russia and even the United States” with Macron’s later statement on military defense....

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: france; macron; trump; ww2
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To: DesertRhino

Let em flip us the finger.. I am fine pulling our troops and materials out of Europe... IF, and that’s the kicker.... IF EUROPE is SERIOUS about defending itself...

Given its let the wolves in already I hold ZERO faith they are serious about defending their nations


61 posted on 11/13/2018 11:33:21 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are there any credible historians that would argue with him?

None that I'm aware of.

62 posted on 11/13/2018 11:35:22 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: adorno
America’s stalwart European ally

Please remind me. When was the last time we were on the same side? 1944?

63 posted on 11/13/2018 11:36:22 AM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: JohnBrowdie
Trump suggests France would have been defeated without U.S.

Partner, they are a bunch of ungrateful %$%#$%!!!

The U.S.A. saved Europe twice when the U.S. American forces got involved.

My grandfather who fought in WW1 told my father that Europe won WW1 when the U.S. got involved in that Trench warfare. The Germans would start running backwards towards other vacated trenches until they surrendered to U.S. forces. The Germans claimed they were very afraid of the fanatical fighting prowess of the American forces in Europe and that is all I needed to hear.

64 posted on 11/13/2018 11:36:59 AM PST by TheConservativeTejano (God Bless Texas...)
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To: DesertRhino

You might change your mind about that after reading Diane West’s “American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation’s Character”.

Truman’s closest advisor Harry Hopkins, on his own signature, was diverting major war material scheduled for Great Britain to the Soviet. A very well documented eye opener. Makes one ready to hoist the Black Flag and start cutting throats.


65 posted on 11/13/2018 11:39:08 AM PST by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: vigilence

Would it be uncouth to point out the fact that far more Jews from France died in Hitler’s nasty death camps than those from Italy, a supposed ally?


66 posted on 11/13/2018 11:39:56 AM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Would’ve been defeated?”

The Wehrmacht marched in and occupied France without a fight. That’s not a defeat, that’s an uncontested occupation.

France sucks, and always will.


67 posted on 11/13/2018 11:40:45 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP: The party of jobs. Democrats: The party of mobs.)
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To: dsc

The French army by 1917 was pretty much a “spent force”. The 2nd Battle of the Aisne, was the last straw. It as not going to do any more suicidal assaults. This was when the French Army munity of 1917 occurred. Petain was the one that actually got the army calmed down. Basically it ws no more assaults, wait for the Americans.

The thing is if we had stayed out, the whole thing might have ended right there. The French would have been forced to negotiate with the Germans, I doubt seriously if he British would have been able to stop them Lurking in the back of everyone’s mind was the Russian Revolution. Many in the Allied governments were worried that they might be next. Of course it would have ended with Germany in a predominate European position and likely a Bolshevik Russia. However with reasonably strong Imperial Germany to oppose them.

This too would make for an interesting alternative history SciFi novel!


68 posted on 11/13/2018 11:41:36 AM PST by Reily
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To: DesertRhino

Very true. But in addition one cannot overlook the military materiel we provided them in those dark days until the Soviets were able to build up their war machine further east. The courage it took for the American and British Merchant Marine to make those voyages to Archangel unarmed or lightly armed in icy, Uboat infested waters is amazing.


69 posted on 11/13/2018 11:42:38 AM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, maybe.

By the time the US entered, all the combatants were worn down to the nub. Russia had actually quit. Germany was on the verge of being unable to continue as was Fance


70 posted on 11/13/2018 11:43:30 AM PST by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Suggests ? Really?

Every time there has been a sauerkraut driven fart that's made its way across the French border in the last 100 years the French have bent over and grabbed their Frog Legs in submission, if not collaboration.

71 posted on 11/13/2018 11:47:48 AM PST by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Suggests? Hell, we won France from the Krauts fair and square, twice in one century, then gave it back to the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!


72 posted on 11/13/2018 11:52:23 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes.” —Mark Twain

“I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me.” —General George S. Patton

“Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion.” —Norman Schwartzkopf

“We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it.” —Marge Simpson

“As far as I’m concerned, war always means failure.” —Jacques Chirac, President of France

“As far as France is concerned, you’re right.” —Rush Limbaugh

“The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee.” —Regis Philbin

“The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don’t know.” —P.J O’Rourke (1989)

“You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn’t have the face for it.” —John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona

“They’ve taken their own precautions against Al Qaeda. To prepare for an attack, each Frenchman is urged to keep duct tape, a white flag, and a three-day supply of mistresses in the house.” —Argus Hamilton

“The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq.” —Dennis Miller

“I would call the French scumbags, but that, of course, would be a disservice to bags filled with scum. I say we invade Iraq, then invade Chirac.” —Dennis Miller

“You know why the French don’t want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He IS French, people.” —Conan O’Brien

“I don’t know why people are surprised that France won’t help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn’t help us get the Germans out of France!” —Jay Leno

“The last time the French asked for ‘more proof,’ it came marching into Paris under a German flag.” —David Letterman

How many Frenchmen does it take to change a light bulb?
One. He holds the bulb and all of Europe revolves around him.

An old saying: Raise your right hand if you like the French.... Raise both hands if you are French.


73 posted on 11/13/2018 11:54:44 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Germany held a piece of France in WW1. If America had not entered into the lines when it did, the German Michael offensive might have had more success. The French had been bled dry after a mutiny and Verdun.
Britain couldn't help the French, they had been depleted at the Somme and Flanders. The Germans knew they had to break through before the weight of 1 million Americans hit the trenches.
American units such as the American 369th Infantry regiment(black)fought along side the French.

That was WW1.

WW2, the French surrendered......in the same railcar used for the Armistice in WW1... to the advancing Nazi's and were subjugated as the Vichy French until June 6th, 1944.

So, yeah....the US has saved the French butt.....twice and wound up taking over for them in VietNam after they surrendered.....again

74 posted on 11/13/2018 11:54:54 AM PST by Wizdum (Buckle up! It's going to be one hell of a ride.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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75 posted on 11/13/2018 11:54:59 AM PST by simpson96
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To: Wizdum

Britain needed a “Brexit” in 1941. Germany was no threat to the British Empire. France was more their traditional rival than Germany was.


76 posted on 11/13/2018 11:56:12 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Britain needed a “Brexit” in 1941.

Ooops, that should be “1914”.


77 posted on 11/13/2018 11:56:33 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SparkyBass

Cheese-eating surrender monkeys?


78 posted on 11/13/2018 11:57:13 AM PST by SMGFan ( .)
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To: Vigilanteman

Would it be equally uncouth to point out that French anti-Semitism was rivaled only by the Nazis and is now on the upswing again, as is all of Europe, due to the massive influx of Muslims?


79 posted on 11/13/2018 12:01:48 PM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The man is always speaking truth to power


80 posted on 11/13/2018 12:04:16 PM PST by shalom aleichem (Fire Rod and Mueller and any other rat or snake. Shutter the press room.)
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