Posted on 12/19/2018 11:52:13 AM PST by deplorableindc
I can’t.
Because of one heinous act by one individual, now you are a FELON b/c you own a piece of hardware purchased legally before the law went into effect?
Eff NJ.
I don’t own one and think they are kind of silly, but the ATF can’t make their own laws just because they feel like it.
How would you like a government official to destroy your business and livelihood?
What planet do you live on?
So, at one point Opium and Cocaine were legal and placed in things like soda pop.. Just because something was legal at one point doesn’t mean it has to be legal forever because someone built a business selling it.
You are reaching, at best, for your justification of outrage.
If you don’t like the fact the ATF can ban something without congress explicitly passing a law to do so, then your real problem is with the administrative state, which needs dissolved.
My random thoughts on bump stocks:
1. They aren’t weapons
2. Ban of these gizmos does nothing to degrade the public’s right to arm themselves for the purposes of taking up arms against a tyrannical government.
3. Great novelty to show off at your neighborhood cookout, providing that casualties are kept low.
4. If you want one, make one.
5. Hitler thought that he was a military genius. He wasn’t. He was a lunatic who ordered his soldiers to fight to the last man for worthless pieces of terrain. His crazy orders led to the defeat of Germany in WWII. Fighting for bump stocks is a very Hilteresk behavior. Don’t do it.
Opium and Cocaine may be infringed.
you don’t understand. the same logic, wording, precedent and horrible logic can be used to ban all semiautos.
The “bump stock owners are stupid” crowd is overlooking a rare opportunity to overturn 922(o), NFA, GCA, and most other 2nd Amendment infringements.
Yes, well said.
Why do some people not see this ? Trump is a strategic genius the likes of which have not been seen since Alexander the Great. He doesn’t work in days or hours, but in epochs, in generations.
So often he has shown a feint the Deep State has fallen for before delivering a swift uppercut to knock out his foe.
> 2nd Amendment activists lost NOTHING.
Read the language and bad logic in the ruling.
> Bump stocks were without value.
People paid money for them after ATF ruled they were ok multiple times.
Now The ATF is defining bump stocks as a machine gun. A machine gun is defined is a weapon that can be fired multiple times by a single pull of the trigger. Using a bump stock the trigger is pulled multiple times. There is no automatic sear in civilian rifles. You can go here to understand that: https://www.wideopenspaces.com/what-a-drop-in-registered-auto-sear-actually-is/
The ATF is basically lying. Trump ordered them to lie. So they did.
The NRA agreed to this because they did not want to see a legislative vote that would affect the congressional scoring they do.
Because Trump has now set a precedent of legislation through regulation, if this is not overturned, the next democrat can do the same and more.
Same is true of the red flag laws he supports. His encouragement of gun control has unleashed state actions on mag and AR bans that he has been silent on. They will multiply like rabbits and the Supreme Court will ignore defending Heller.
Don’t feel like Trump sold you out though, you still have the wall, for sure, I heard him say so, must be true, right? Let’s take a road trip so we can go see it.
Bump stocks are toys, not weapon parts.
“How would you like a government official to destroy your business and livelihood?”
I would never be so dumb as to make a business out of bump stocks.
They have no utility.
I have no love for an eat me last strategy. It is not necessary to make them like you to defeat them. We need to be moving toward shall not be infringed. I do think bump stocks are extremely useless and stupid from an operator’s standpoint, but from a political wedge point of view they have proved most useful.
Do we really need it? Checkout this demo
Yep useless ammo wasting toy.
>Nonsense.
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>2nd Amendment activists lost NOTHING.
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>Bump stocks were without value.
The owners of bump stocks would probably disagree with that statement. I wouldn’t, just being the devils advocate here.
However any infringement is still an infringement
This is not a Second Amendment issue, even if one tries to stretch logic to the breaking point.
And definitely not a BATF issue.
Sure, it’s unconstitutional...due process being the primary complaint. Taking without compensation being the other.
I have no doubt the federal courts will resolve it.
But those who posture it’s about “gun Rights” are trying to start a fire with water.
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