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Notre Dame Engulfed in Flames
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | April 15, 2019 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 04/15/2019 1:02:55 PM PDT by Kaslin

RUSH: There is fire at the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris, and it looks huge. The wooden roof appears to be on the way to becoming fully engulfed. There was originally just a small plume of smoke that came out of it from a distant photographer, but now they’ve got news cameras in there, and it is massive, this fire at Notre Dame.

It has preempted coverage of the imminent release of the Mueller report on all of cable news.

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RUSH: Notre Dame Cathedral continues to burn. The main spire there has collapsed. That’s one of the identifying architectural aspects of the cathedral. All the pictures that I have seen — and I haven’t had a chance to gaze for a long time at any of it — I don’t see any firefighting. I don’t see any water being sprayed on this — ah. There’s some. There’s some. But not on the main blaze. I guess they’re trying to save other parts of the roof. Looks like it’s a wood roof that’s just going up like balsa.


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To: Kaslin

“Is Paris burning?”


41 posted on 04/15/2019 2:18:41 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Mark
"So, something happened somewhere.

If "Notre Dame" expects to rebuild they are going to have to use a gender neutral name; Notre Dym? Neuter Dem?

42 posted on 04/15/2019 2:24:07 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: kaehurowing

And sharpen up Durandel for the coming fight...


43 posted on 04/15/2019 3:14:19 PM PDT by clive bitterman
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To: kaehurowing

Charles Martel, please pick up the white courtesy phone...

CC


44 posted on 04/15/2019 3:22:54 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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To: Mach9

If it weren’t for the second plane, they would probably have called the WTC an accident.


45 posted on 04/15/2019 4:02:48 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: Robert A Cook PE; Jaysin
I wouldn't doubt the number of a hundred. Jews were persecuted and eliminated in Germany and Austria, and were in many cases defended both by the clergy and townspeople. Arguing it wasn't the purpose of the Crusade to persecute Jews. This motivation dissipated by the third Crusade. I'm comfortable with the fact the the Crusades began to protect access for Christians to the Holy Land, shut down by Muslims. But it had an expansionist motivation as well. The palestinians are wrong, there have been Jews in Israel continuously since the Roman expulsion. There are said to have been about 50 Jewish towns. And yes, they had to defend themselves from the Crusaders. In some cases they fought on their own. Haifa I believe and a few others. Mostly they allied with the Muslims. Guess what, native Christians defended their homes from the Crusaders too. I don't think I've read any, but contemporary accounts from both a Jewish and local Christian perspective still exist.

That said, hardly worth getting too deep into on a thread about the disaster of Notre Dame.

46 posted on 04/15/2019 4:19:06 PM PDT by SJackson (Pilgrims, doing the jobs Americans won't do)
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To: SJackson

Thank you for the courtesy of your detailed reply.

I had not read any collective such details in my histories of the Crusades.
Specific attacks (such as Haifa?) Certainly.
Attacks (however stupid or selfish such as Constantinople, etc.) against should-be allies or others? Certainly.


47 posted on 04/15/2019 4:32:05 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

All through Germany, Austria and particularly the Rhineland. On the way. There’s plenty out there on it. Much of it about the defense of Jews, somewhat successful, by local clergy and Christians. And communities rebuilt. But it wasn’t the objective, so might not get much mention in many histories.


48 posted on 04/15/2019 4:38:39 PM PDT by SJackson (Pilgrims, doing the jobs Americans won't do)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-crusades

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2617029/jewish/The-Bloody-Crusades.htm
“Although compared to later tragedies the loss of Jewish life was relatively small, with the main devastation occurring in but four Rhineland towns, the First Crusade has generally been regarded by Jews as a disaster of epic proportions. The period of counting the Omer, between Pesach and Shavuos, when the massacres occurred, became fixed in Jewish law as a time for mourning. A prayer commemorating the martyrs, Av HaRachamim, was added to the Sabbath morning services and is recited weekly, except on joyous occasions. Several Kinnos were composed remembering these events and became part of the Tisha B’Av service. There are several reasons why the First Crusade has been given such prominence, while other, seemingly far greater tragedies have not:

The four towns destroyed were major Torah centers of Ashkenazic Jewry. Although Jews resettled and rebuilt these communities, and Ashkenazic Torah centers flourished, the greatness of these cities’ martyred scholars was lost forever – a theme that appears prominently in the Kinnos.

The Crusades set a dangerous precedent — the rise of organized, popular, anti-Jewish uprisings. Although both the Pope and the local authorities were generally opposed to the Crusaders’ excesses in Germany, these leaders’ hostility to Jews caused them to remain apathetic to Jewish suffering, thus they generally did not intervene. After the First Crusade, instances of mob persecution occurred regularly. Therefore, the Crusades can be seen as the source for much of subsequent Christian persecution. In keeping with the traditional Jewish viewpoint, that the beginning of a tragedy is noted, the events of the Crusades are commemorated.”


49 posted on 04/16/2019 4:11:01 AM PDT by Jaysin
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To: Jaysin; Robert A Cook PE

The Crusader massacres of Jews (and Christians and Muslim civilians) was unjustified.

This also was strategically a sapping of resources.

However you bringing it up indicates that you may see it only from the victim mentality and not looking at what happened prior.

In the first Crusade Jews aided the Muslims against the Christians. Haifa was Jewish controlled and fought off the Christians.

This anti-Jewry also had its roots in the fact that Jews aided Muslims in taking over Jerusalem, Syria, North Africa and Spain. This is because the Jews saw the monotheistic Muslims (and Islam had not yet been clearly defined in the first 150 years of Arab empire) as ideologically closer to them. Note also that the Copts and some Syriacs also did support the Muslims as they were Semitic speakers. But that was in Egypt.

In the first Crusade - During this time, a full thousand years after the fall of the Jewish state, there were Jewish communities all over the country. Fifty of them are known and include Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea.

Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.

AND, you forget Christians stood up and attempted to protect the neighboring Jews. In the German city of Trier, the local bishop attempted to protect the Jews —> reference Jonathan M. Elukin, Living Together, Living Apart: Rethinking Jewish-Christian Relations in the Middle Ages (Princeton, NJ: Princeton UP, 2007),

Other German cities had similar experiences, with some towns such as Mainz having the local burghers fight against the incoming crusaders.

Another German town, Cologne, hid all the local Jews among their Christian neighbors during the Jewish holiday of Shavuot, spending the remainder of the holiday with the Christian acquaintances.

Shrug off the victim mentality when looking at history - warts and all.


50 posted on 12/13/2021 4:37:48 AM PST by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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