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To: NKP_Vet
Conventional wisdom of the moment tells us that the great war of 1861—1865 was “about” slavery or was “caused by” slavery. I submit that this is not a historical judgment but a political slogan.

The civil war was caused by the secession of the southern states. Here's why five southern states said they were seceding. Every single one of them focuses on slavery.
10 posted on 05/03/2019 8:15:01 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

but the states that didn’t secede could keep their slaves?

the emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves in occupied southern territories, or am i mistaken.

t


14 posted on 05/03/2019 8:20:58 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

It was being looked to, to keep the lead balloon that was the Confederacy going.

They might have had an A+ for spirit, but an F- for wisdom. It is one of the great human tragedies of our time and we are still facing the secular aftermath with embarrassment. When black people complain that their race had been done dirty, they’re right. They are less effusive about attempts to set it right with things like affirmative action, but secular efforts can only do so much. What they need is something that cleans up the spiritual dirt, and Christians know it as the blood of Christ.

There is a constructive way forward, but it is under the Spirit of God that it must be thus.


15 posted on 05/03/2019 8:22:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

So what? Buying and selling human beings like cattle is evil. Anyone who practices, supports, benefits from, or excuses slavery is evil. The Confederacy was evil because it practiced and profited from slavery.

Anyone who excuses that is scum.


23 posted on 05/03/2019 8:35:43 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Don’t confuse revisionists with facts. I’m from the south as is my family. But facts are facts. The Vice President of the Confederacy said the civil war was about slavery. Who knows better?-the Vice President of the Confederacy or some people on a blog site 150 years later?


27 posted on 05/03/2019 8:39:15 AM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I agree. There was a focus on slavery by the southern states as part of secession. To say otherwise is like reading Durbin’s op-ed in the Washington Compost about why Barr should recuse himself from anything related to Muller’s investigation.


29 posted on 05/03/2019 8:45:09 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

That’s right - we know that it was about slavery because the ones trying to secede TOLD us that it was about slavery.


33 posted on 05/03/2019 8:53:03 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
The civil war was caused by the secession of the southern states.

And why would states deciding they no longer want to be a part of a system rigged against them be a cause for war?

Here's why five southern states said they were seceding.

Don't care. According to the Declaration of Independence, they had a right to independence for any reason they saw fit. They don't have to justify why they wanted to leave. The North has to justify why it needed to kill people to stop them from leaving.

35 posted on 05/03/2019 8:58:30 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Who are you going to believe? The folks who said why they left the Union, or a historian’s lecture 150+ years later?


44 posted on 05/03/2019 9:09:12 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Actually, the war was caused by the Occupation of the South Carolina fort in Charleston Harbor. Then, it escalated when Lincoln raised an army to invade the South.


63 posted on 05/03/2019 9:36:22 AM PDT by MattMusson (Sometimes the wind blows too much)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

You realize, of course, that stating facts is somewhat dirty pool. We’re supposed to sit at our 100+ year remove and try to ascertain what we think the motives of those people were. Actually reading their words is cheating, somehow.


82 posted on 05/03/2019 10:18:20 AM PDT by Team Cuda
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Indeed so. They all said so.

Here is what the Georgia delegate said to the Virginia secession convention.

The cause of the Civil War between Republicans and Democrats does not get any clearer than this.


First paragraph:
“I have been appointed by the Convention of the State of Georgia, to present to this Convention (Virginia), the ordinance of secession of Georgia,

and further, to invite Virginia, thorough this Convention, to join Georgie and the other seceded States in the formation of a Southern Confederacy.

This, sir, is the whole extent of my mission….”

Second paragraph:
”What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession?

This reason may be summed up in one single proposition.

It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia,

that a separation from the North was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery.

This conviction, sir, was the main cause.

It is true, sir, that the effect of this conviction was strengthened by a further conviction that such a separation would be the best remedy for the fugitive slave evil,
.... {Note: This ‘fugitive slave evil’
.... being the the refusal of some Republicans
.... in Northern States
.... to refuse to return escaped slaves}

and also the best, if not the only remedy, for the territorial evil.
.... {Note: This ‘territorial evil’
.... would be the Missouri compromise
.... from thirty or forty years prior
.... where the territories were declared free
.... and slaves were not allowed.
.... The democrats wished to take their slaves
.... with them.}

But, doubtless, if it had not been for the first conviction this step would never have been taken.

It therefore becomes important to inquire whether this conviction was well founded.”

………..Honorable Henry L. Benning, of Georgia
……………addressing the Virginia State Convention
……………on Monday, February 18, 1861
……………the Fifth day of the Convention
....


85 posted on 05/03/2019 10:20:07 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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