Posted on 05/06/2019 9:46:08 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
This was my 737 Max8 Experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAPaHlnpGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfxk7EIOGZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN6MdS8keM0
re: “Only the CFM LEAP engine is offered on the MAX. No choice.”
It’s NOT like this is a punch-ticket item, and the ECONOMICS of this engine are also a factor the customer weighs in on, to be sure! You don’t think that those who negotiated price and delivery ALSO didn’t have a say in the engines?
Yes, that is what I am saying. The A320 NEO came about because of Pratt & Whitney developing the GTF Geared Turbofan engine which promised much better fuel efficiency than existing engines on the A320. CFM responded by developing the LEAP Leading Edge Aviation Propulsion engine. Both engines were offered for sale with the A320 NEO.
Boeing had to respond, and did so by designing the 737-8 MAX. Because of differences in the airframes between the A320 and the 737, there simply wasn't enough room to put the P&W GTF on the 737. Boeing could make the LEAP work, but with a slightly smaller fan diameter than that used on the A320, resulting in slightly less economy.
Because of this, the only engine that was offered with the 737-8 MAX was the CFM LEAP engine.
The headline inferred Boeing built the engines. . .they didn’t and don’t.
I used to work for Boeing (10-yrs), and the customer gets to pick what engine manufacturer they want. They pay the cost of any adjustments and such.
“nrelated to this article, but important, is that affirmative action and lowering standards for ATC is insane”
AND flight examiners are now being hired by the FAA to assess pilots and certify their annual check-rides. . .AND these examiners are NOT pilots!!
I knew what you meant. . .
“Boeing doesn’t make the engines, and the customer picks which engine they want.”
As near as I can tell, the CFM engine is the only one currently available for the 737 MAX series. That engine is the principal reason for the MAX because it delivers 15% better fuel economy.
Good Aircraft
Good Engines of the customers choice
Bad decisions by Boeing to not have redundancy in a critical flight control system driven by computer that would override pilots.
I would happily fly in a 787 Max tomorrow if the pilots are aware of the non redundancy between the angle of attack indicator and the computer. Redundancy cost extra and the pilots did not know there was no redundacy. They thought they were flying an aircraft with multiple angle of attack indicators, which they were, with redundancy to the computer. They were not.
As per a post of yesterday to quote a 737 captain of 25 years now retired.
“Computers 2, Pilots 0.” He did not fly the Max but many previous models. He loved the 737. It is really a wonderful aircraft. Boeing will eat this big time.
I assure you there will be many internal memos from Boeing Engineers that will show the insanity of Boeing’s decisions.
Discovery in court will be a bitch on steroids for Boeing which is most sad. They do make superior aircraft.
When it all said and done one will find managerial decisions based on profits, not the engineers.
No. The headline does not infer that Boeing built the engines, but that the engines are part of Boeing planes.
Wasting your time... Arguing with a serious know it all. You have always been correct, counts for nothing.
You are right about management and engineers. Why Lockheed and Boeing got together... Lockheed was bean counters, Boeing was engineers.... Guess who won. And Chicago?
No. It makes it seem the engines are Boeing engines (made by Boeing).
Incompetent third-world “pilots.”
As Ron White says, “you can’t fix stupid.”
About .2% of the Boeing 737 Max fleet has crashed. These aren’t good odds. Would you get on a plane if I told you that the odds were 400:1 that the plane will go down with no survivors in the next six months?
I wouldn’t hesitate to fly on a 737 MAX with a US based flight crew.
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