Targeting Chinese students and entrepreneurs in the U.S. is the wrong way to battle Beijing

Los Angeles Times ^ | 06/20/2019 | Dominic Ng

[arthurus]

Hong Kong students probably fall into the same category. Taiwanese not so much. Mainland derivative Chinese should not be eligible for security clearances and probably should have to have clearance type vetting to work in tech companies that innovate. All that research data for our best labs is going straight to China to be copied and faked by Chinese companies or to be incorporated into the Chinese military. It is an error that crept up on us because of the hi IQ and tech proclivities of Chinese students. There is probably nothing that we can actually do about it except to innovate faster than China can assimilate the innovations.

[Grampa Dave]

Why should we educate our enemies?

Amen! Also, why should these enemies even be in our country getting a salary while taking our secrets back to China.

[Grampa Dave]

Targeting Chinese students and entrepreneurs spies and agents in the U.S. is the wrong right way to battle Beijing!

Since, they are not American citizens, allow the NSA to focus on these bastards with all of their resources, 24/7.

Then, let their Mother Country know that they have been outed and are worthless as spies for the ChiComs.

[ThanhPhero]

That sounds like the relationship of North Korea to the US Treasury. NK makes much of its money by printing American $100 bills and flooding SEA with them. They are undetectable except with closely guarded and nonexportable Treasury equipment. Treasury keeps changing the bills to make them un counterfeitable and NK has the new ones on the market in SEA sometimes sooner than the banks get them.It is enough to explain the csteady inflation of the Đồng against the dollar even as the VN government tries hard to maintain parity..

[Nifster]

Says a Vietnamese writer

[LeoWindhorse]

Stop ALL PRC tourist visas - immediately . Spies

[neverevergiveup]

“Do we expel and fire them all?”

No, but we:

1. Set an ABSOLUTE limit on the percentage of any NIH or NSF grant that can be spent on any non-US citizen. Way too many labs in the US hire predominantly foreign post-docs. If you can't find American post-docs for you lab, tough sh**. Pay more, hire American technicians instead of foreign post-docs, or whatever you have to do. Better for labs to go belly up than to spend more than a minor percentage of US grant money on non-US citizens.

2. Absolutely prohibit non-US citizens from sitting on ANY grant review committee. EVER. I don't care if they have a green card and grant money. NO way they should be allowed on ANY grant review committee. If you know anything about where US research is at this point in time, you know that within the scientific community we now have small ‘mafias’ of those from like backgrounds (not just Chinese) who preferentially fund each others grants. This isn't a supposition or disgruntled viewpoint. It's an absolute and indisputable fact. It has to stop.

3. Require that any small business/company that is requesting taxpayer derived grant money (e.g. SBIR, STTR grants) have at least 50% US citizens on their payroll.

This is just a start. One thing you should be very aware of is that the same unfair and self-promoting business practices used by Chinese industry in competing with the West are also being used in a clear but undeclared war on the stature of American science and technology. It's not like they restrict their Machiavellian activities to only specific competitive areas. They are playing for keeps at every level and in every context. Doubt this at your own risk.

[chuckee]

Sorry, Ng your dishonest racist story line is tiresome and does not work. I have heard the same garbage from tribalist Chinese nationals studying STEM here. Just as the US did not educate Russians during the days of the USSR who last time I looked are Caucasian they should restrict education and work visas of Chinese nationals simply because they are an enemy nation. Last time I looked Taiwan was Chinese and we do not restrict their visas here simply because their nation does not pose a threat and does not steal Western technology.

[Da Coyote]

Taking any advice on international relations from a liberal news rag is the wrong way to conduct any international affairs.

Shove it, simpleton journalists.

[BlackbirdSST]

...is the wrong right way to battle...

If you insist!

[MeganC]

“For three entire decades, every single person in America has been selling out our country to China.”

As much as your statement pisses me off it is undeniably true.

Everyone in the USA buys something made in China. It’s too easy to do.

I personally do not shop at Wal Mart because they force American firms to produce products in China but how many other firms just buy stuff made in China?

Are “Always Low Prices, Always” worth the fact that too many Chinese products are made with slave labor or prison labor?

Is it worth it to save a few dollars on a purchase because the Chinese product is cheaper even though the profits from the Chinese product are being used to build a military that will inevitably be used to kill Americans?

So yes, you’re right. To some degree or another we have all been selling out to China so we can buy cheap, shitty products at the store.

[glorgau]

They’re just collateral damage. Sucks to be them until their government shapes up.

[SuperLuminal]

"Targeting Chinese students and entrepreneurs in the U.S. is the wrong way to battle Beijing"

Targeting Chinese students (entry level spies) and entrepreneurs (senior level spies) in the U.S. is the wrong an excellent way to battle Beijing

[Fedora]

The author, Dominic Ng, has a transparent interest in the subject of the article:

For a banker whose business model depends on trade with China, it would be understandable if Dominic Ng is nervous about President Trump's periodic threats to impose tariffs or sanctions on Chinese goods. . .During his 26 years at East West, he's built it from a $600 million-asset bank into a $36.3 billion-asset California powerhouse with a seat on the front lines of U.S.-China relations. For U.S. businesses that want to trade with China or Chinese companies looking to expand in the states, East West is often their first stop. . .“We get mainstream customers because more of them are asking for that collaboration, that partnership,” he said. “They say to themselves, ‘Who do I ask for an introduction to China?’ So they come to East West Bank. . .” : Consistent Performer: How Dominic Ng built East West into a powerhouse

"Dominic Ng is already fielding calls from Chinese investors interested in Paramount, as the low-profile chairman/CEO of East West Bank is one of the few financial connectors between U.S. studios (Universal, Fox, Lionsgate) and the emerging power. ": L.A.'s Mystery Banker Behind Hollywood's China Money

". . .the parade of talent on stage Wednesday night at Shanghai’s Wanda Reign hotel put their troubles aside for a moment and celebrated the 20th anniversary of producer-distributor-exhibition company Bona Film Group. At regular intervals, Bona’s founder and chairman Yu Dong called on stage close friends and strategic partners – including film-maker Huang Jianxin and EastWest Bank chairman Dominic Ng – for multiple rounds of reminiscence, and toasts to the future. Bona executives past and present Nansun Shi, Jeffrey Chan, and Nick Qi also shared the spotlight. . .": Shanghai Party: Red Carpet Rolled out at Bona Film Group 20th Anniversary Event

1989: Committee of 100 (C-100) co-founded by I.M. Pei, Yo-Yo Ma and 40 other distinguished Chinese Americans to foster better understanding between the people of the United States and Greater China, and more opportunities in all fields for Chinese America. . .1996: Defends investigation charges against Chinese Americans of political contribution improprieties by 12 major media and network news organizations. . .1999: Contacts President Clinton expressing concerns over the Wen Ho Lee case resulting in U.S. Secretary of Energy Bill Richardson addressing C-100’s annual conference in New York. Helps Bill Moyers secure funds for PBS series, Becoming American: the Chinese Experience, aired in March 2003. Co-sponsors Rand Conference on “China, the United States, and the Global Economy.”. . .2011: In January, C-100 hosts a Congressional briefing on the U.S.-China relationship on Capitol Hill. More than 70 Congressional members and staff participate. C-100 Chairman John Chen speaks on a symposium, America’s Next Chapter, a live broadcasting program on C-SPAN. John Chen and some members attend the State Dinner in honor of President Hu Jintao at the White House. C-100 serves as one of the hosting organizations for a luncheon in honor of President Hu. C-100 hosts its 20th Annual Conference in New York in May. Speakers include Gary Locke, Secretary of Commerce;Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City; Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey; and Vikram Pandit, Chief Executive Officer, Citigroup. At the Gala, C-100 presents awards to Henry M. Paulson Jr., 74th U.S. Treasury Secretary; Liu He, Vice Chairman, Office of the Central Leading Group on Financial and Economic Affairs and CPC Secretary and Vice President, Development Research Center of the State Council; James E. Rogers, Chairman, President, and CEO, Duke Energy; Laura M. Cha, Deputy Chairman, HSBC Investment Asia and Cai Guo-Qiang, contemporary artist. Dominic Ng, Chairman and CEO of East West Bancorp Inc., becomes C-100 Chairman in May. In December, C-100 hosts its 4th Greater China Conference in Hong Kong. Speakers include Gary Locke, United States Ambassador to China; Stephen Lam, Chief Secretary for Administration, HKSAR; Antony Leung, Chairman of Greater China, The Blackstone Group;and Tavis Smiley, Host of PBS’ Tavis Smiley. C -100 brings to China three prominent American journalists who interact with a variety of Chinese people from government, academia, think tanks, business, high schools, local media, ordinary families and the arts. . .2012: C-100 hosts a Chinese New Year reception on Capitol Hill in February. C-100 collaborates as partnering organization to host welcome luncheon for Chinese President Xi Jinping in Washington, DC in February. C-100 hosts a Women Leadership Roundtable for young professionals in New York in March. On April 19, C-100 releases results of US-China Public Perceptions-Opinion Survey 2012 at the C-100 21st Annual Conference in Pasadena, CA featuring remarks by John Bryson, United States Secretary of Commerce; Michael Milken, Chairman, the Milken Institute; Judy Chu, Member of Congress, CA-32 and Charles Munger, Vice Chairman, Berkshire Hathaway; Patrick Soon-Shiong, Chairman, Chan Soon-Shiong Family Foundation; Jim Sinegal, Co-Founder and Director, Costco Wholesale Corporation; and Thomas Tull, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Legendary Pictures. In May, C-100 brings five civic leaders to China. In June, C-100 members led by Chairman Dominic Ngparticipate in C-100’s Washington DC Initiative to introduce C -100’s new survey and discuss 5U.S.- China relations. C-100 Wanxiang Teaching Scholars pilot program takes place in June and July, 18 American High School teachers receive a three- week field study in Chinathat highlights an enriched curriculum integrating Chinese language and culture with China's sustainability developments. In October, C-100 convenes “China Policy Debate: Democratic & Republican Presidential Race 2012” at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. In November, the Committee also hosts its third Women Leadership Roundtable. From late November to early December, C-100 leads a delegation of fivejournalists to China. . .: COMMITTEE OF 100 HIGHLIGHTS

[Fedora]

"2006: Fifteen Annual Conference: San Francisco, CA: Noted speakers included Senator Dianne Feinstein, Washington lobbyist Thomas Hale Boggs, Jr., former U.S. Trade Rep. Charlene Barshefsky, one of China’s foremost “America” experts Wang Jisi, and New York Times columnist and author Thomas Friedman.[10] ": Committee of 100

[Grampa Dave]

That was the title to this article.

As noted, this was my recommendation:

“Since, they are not American citizens, allow the NSA to focus on these bastards with all of their resources, 24/7.

Then, let their Mother Country know that they have been outed and are worthless as spies for the ChiComs.”

[Henry Hnyellar]

Yes.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Yes.

And replace them with who? What happens to the knowledge and experience they could contribute to find cures for diseases like cancer or AIDS?

It seems like your wholesale ‘Yes’ fails to differentiate between the innocent and the guilty. They’re all guilty in your eyes without even considering their individual cases.