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Neil Armstrong’s Death, and a Stormy, Secret $6 Million Settlement
The New York Times ^ | July 23, 2019 | Scott Shane and Sarah Kliff

Posted on 07/23/2019 4:19:35 PM PDT by John W

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To: KevinB

Weren’t there doctor’s opinions in the story?


21 posted on 07/23/2019 6:00:50 PM PDT by John W (Trump/Pence 2020)
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To: John W

Never treat a celebrity on Medicare. The risk benefit ratio is too high.

I’m not sure if he was on Medicare, but he probably was. If he was a regular Joe, there probably wouldn’t be a lawsuit or big settlement here for an 82 year old.


22 posted on 07/23/2019 6:07:55 PM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: ElkGroveDan

I’ve read the article. It’s a case of dueling medical experts, all of whom represent opposing interests. Until it has been fully litigated, it is not appropriate to conclude medical malpractice. The family essentially blackmailed the hospital, saying they were going to publicize the allegations to the detriment of the hospital unless they were paid. It’s no different than what Creepy Porn Lawyer tried with Nike. Armstrong’s wife refused to participate in the matter. What does that tell you? (Full disclosure, I am a lawyer.)


23 posted on 07/23/2019 6:23:07 PM PDT by KevinB ("Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin)
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To: lightman
Why settle for Mercy Hospital when the Cleveland Clinic is in its backyard?

Having worked for 20+ years at two of Harvard Medical Schools largest teaching hospitals I am of the opinion that anyone who has anything remotely resembling a serious medical problem should get to the biggest hospital in the biggest city that their insurance will cover. Cleveland...Boston...Baltimore...San Francisco...whatever you can do.

For people with Medicare that's easy...99% of the country's doctors and hospitals accept it.

24 posted on 07/23/2019 7:22:09 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A Joke:Lynch,Comey And Brennan Walk Into A Barr...)
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To: John W

Pay wall.

Someone getting a kickback?


25 posted on 07/23/2019 8:01:59 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: John W

The merciless sisters of St. Louis strike again.

It isn’t about money. It is ALL about MONEY with them.

I hope I can die at home.


26 posted on 07/23/2019 8:24:10 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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To: KevinB

What began as a routine bypass operation (with no reported patient complications) went very badly in an unusual way as staff was performing a scheduled recovery procedure. Its hard to find a way to tilt that scale in any direction other than toward hospital staff. (Full disclosure, I am not a lawyer but I used to chew them up before lunchtime in my previous occupation.)


27 posted on 07/24/2019 11:38:00 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: KevinB

What began as a routine bypass operation (with no reported patient complications) went very badly in an unusual way as staff was performing a scheduled recovery procedure. Its hard to find a way to tilt that scale in any direction other than toward hospital staff. (Full disclosure, I am not a lawyer but I used to chew them up before lunchtime in my previous occupation.)


28 posted on 07/24/2019 11:38:00 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

(“Full disclosure, I am not a lawyer but I used to chew them up before lunchtime in my previous occupation.)”

You must have bought Listerine by the 55 gallon drum.

L


29 posted on 07/24/2019 11:48:17 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: John W
look folks, there are medical treatments that have many side effects or poor outcomes....from what I read, treatment didn't go well but it was not that it was the wrong treatment, or bad treatment, it just failed....

notice that the wife did not push this lawsuit nor asked for it, she was forced to sign off on it or loose her executor ship....

notice that the dil was the lawyer........

the hospital merely settled because they didn't want to have the national bruhaha over the death at their hospital of a national figure.....

PEOPLE SHOULD NOT DIEJUST BECAUSE THEY'RE 82 WITH SIGNIFICANT CARDIAC DISEASE which is poppycock....

30 posted on 07/24/2019 11:54:52 AM PDT by cherry
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To: KevinB
the Greenville News has a good write up and yes it indeed looks like the sons, not the wife, pushed this and there is no clear malpractice or negligence.....there are medical choices and you can not prevent bad outcomes to good care.....

overall, we should stop thinking that 82yro with extensive cardiac disease aren't huge risks for any kind of surgery, let alone cardiac.....

but is all about the $$$$$ and since the lawyer suing was the dil, it all stays in the family.....

31 posted on 07/24/2019 12:01:49 PM PDT by cherry
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To: John W

A nurse pulled out the wires?!

What the heck!?


32 posted on 07/24/2019 12:02:54 PM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: John W
even one expert retained by the hospital would find serious problems with his treatment.

I find that statement questionable. No legal defense team is going hire a potential hostile expert to be an expert witness on their defense.

As a side note, my brother-in-law was a highly respected Oncologist (now retired) here in S.E. Michigan who was approached by the sleeze bag Geoffrey Fieger law firm back in the 1990's to become a member of his medical "expert witness" group that would be called on anytime Fieger was pursuing a medical malpractice lawsuit........My BIL turned him down.

But there were many occasions where he was called on to give expert testimony on behalf of legal defense teams.......

It's a racket, you have crapbag lawywers -Fieger- and their crapbag doctors who will say anything in an attempt to win the case for their crapbag employer/lawyer.......

33 posted on 07/24/2019 12:21:30 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: cherry
the hospital merely settled because they didn't want to have the national bruhaha over the death at their hospital of a national figure.....

Exactly! And for what it's worth, the settlement was likely at the advice of the company that insures them...........

In their case, it was easier and more cost efficient to settle than to spend years and likely millions of $$$ to fight the case against them only to lose on a misinformed jury's decision to award mega-millions of dollars.......

Here's a follow up on my prior post about my brother-in-law.

He was once sued as a co-defendent on a lawsuit against another doctor simply because he had referred the patient to the other doctor.

After many court appearances, his own lawyers that were supplied by his insurer urged him to plead guilty. Each time he refused to on principle.

On his last day of trial, the judge called my BIL and his attorneys in his chambers and actually urged him to follow the advice of his attorney in order to end the case against him since the insurance company was going to foot the bill for the settlement against him. He refused once again!

After they reentered the court room, the plaintiff's attorneys announced they were dropping the lawsuit against him.

They knew they didn't have a case but were betting on the insurance company willing to settle on his behalf.

34 posted on 07/24/2019 12:52:54 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: ElkGroveDan
(Full disclosure, I am not a lawyer but I used to chew them up before lunchtime in my previous occupation.)

Sure you did, tough guy. (See my tagline.)

35 posted on 07/24/2019 1:36:39 PM PDT by KevinB ("Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin)
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To: ElkGroveDan

He would have lived even longer with competent surgery. I know many people his age who have including my father.

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Armstrong survived the surgery and was up walking around.

He died because his heart was torn when they pulled out his temporary pacemaker wires, which is done a few days after surgery when the patient is ready to leave the ICU.

They could have cut the wires instead, which I think is wise for an older patient.

His doctors made another mistake by not rushing him to surgery immediately. They sent him to get an echocardiogram instead.

As others have said, go to the best hospital available for heart surgery. Armstrong was already in Ohio and the Cleveland Clinic has the best record for heart surgery in the world. Armstrong got his surgery in a community hospital, and many doctors say the surgery could have been postponed or avoided altogether.


36 posted on 07/27/2019 6:52:20 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: mewzilla

A nurse pulled out the wires?!

What the heck!?

...

The media guesses at these things. It was probably done by a physician assistant specializing in cardiology.


37 posted on 07/27/2019 7:14:16 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: John W

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/07/23/neil-armstrong-family-got-six-million-settlement-hospital-after-death-mercy-health/1809928001/

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According to that story, Armstrong sent an email five days after his surgery in which he said he was expecting to be discharged in a couple of days.


38 posted on 07/27/2019 7:16:45 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: cherry

the hospital merely settled because they didn’t want to have the national bruhaha over the death at their hospital of a national figure.....

PEOPLE SHOULD NOT DIEJUST BECAUSE THEY’RE 82 WITH SIGNIFICANT CARDIAC DISEASE which is poppycock....

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The hospital messed up. Armstrong survived the surgery, was up walking around, and sending lucid emails. He was a couple of days away from discharge. He died because they pulled his temporary pacemaker wires and caused his heart to bleed. His doctor’s response to that cost him his life.

To make matters worse, the wires could have been cut instead of pulled. There is also the question of whether the bypass surgery was necessary in the first place.

The settlement was more than justified.


39 posted on 07/27/2019 7:23:17 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: Vermont Lt
The Cleveland Clinic was several hundred miles away

249.5 miles.

40 posted on 07/27/2019 7:28:27 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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