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President Trump's 'Grand Bargain' on Guns
townhall.com ^ | 9/8/2019 | Wayne Allen Root

Posted on 09/08/2019 8:03:27 AM PDT by rktman

Nonetheless, I'm willing to compromise. I'm willing to give Democrats a crown jewel of what they've demanded for decades.

I want President Donald Trump to call their bluff. Democrats want "universal background checks" on all gun sales. Let's give it to them -- as soon as Democrats agree to federal government-issued photo and fingerprint ID for every voter in America.

Now there's a grand bargain. Isn't that an offer too good to refuse? Democrats claim they want to stop gun violence. They claim universal background checks are the answer. So why would they reject this offer? Are they so frightened by voter ID that they're willing to let gun violence and mass shootings continue unabated?

What's so scary about voter ID? Don't Democrats claim "election integrity" is a top priority? Aren't they worried about "foreign interference" in U.S. elections? So why isn't it a priority to prevent voter fraud?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; infringement; kaba; noway; secondamendment; trump; trumpbanglist
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To: Innovative

Shall not be infringed and inalienable right.


21 posted on 09/08/2019 9:18:04 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: rktman

1. Nationwide Constitutional Carry.

2. Nationwide Voter ID.

3. Eliminate early Voting.

4. Provide proof of Disability to receive an Absentee Ballot.

5. Eliminate Illegal Invader Driver’s Licenses.

6. Eliminate Motor Voter.

7. Build the Wall.


22 posted on 09/08/2019 9:19:44 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: semaj
Criminals steal guns or buy them on the black market.

Only law abiding citizens obey the law.

Just as they disobey the "Gun Free Zone" signs when the shoot up a soft target.

23 posted on 09/08/2019 9:23:29 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: rktman

Democrats want “universal background checks” on all gun sales....

Don’t think Wayne has thought this one through.

The rats don’t want to cover just sales, they want to cover all transactions such as gifts, loans, etc. Thus, if you allow someone at the range to fire your weapon without conducting a background check, you could be in violation.

Real ID, proof of citizenship, should be a national requirement for voting regardless of other issues.


24 posted on 09/08/2019 9:44:12 AM PDT by Ceebass (The only thing Orwell got wrong was the date)
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The Democrats will in a million years never weaken their monopoly on illegal voting, so even throwing the idea out will just be a waste of time and a losing debate.

I would be happy with simple enforcement of existing voting laws and existing gun/murder laws.


25 posted on 09/08/2019 9:47:24 AM PDT by bhl
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To: rktman

People are fools and this is a great bargaining chip - offer background checks which by the way there are already background checks. The enemy is ignorant. Play on their ignorance and don’t educate them.


26 posted on 09/08/2019 9:49:35 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: rktman
"Just Wayne’s suggestion."

This guy is an ignorant fool and should never be taken seriously.

He want's to register guns and register people. Nuts.

27 posted on 09/08/2019 10:00:15 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: dhs12345
"People are fools and this is a great bargaining chip - offer background checks which by the way there are already background checks. The enemy is ignorant. Play on their ignorance and don’t educate them."

This type of thing is what has gotten us into such trouble. The enemy is NOT ignorant. They are EVIL. They are much better at deception than we will ever be. You don't "bargain" with evil, YOU CRUSH IT.

28 posted on 09/08/2019 10:04:41 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: rktman

I read an interesting idea a few weeks ago. Universal background checks, but with *NO* records kept whatsoever. Basically, the idea is that it’s HIPAA for firearms owners. Here’s a link:

https://townhall.com/columnists/benlanglotz/2019/08/20/the-guncontrol-compromise-the-left-will-never-accept-n2551937


29 posted on 09/08/2019 10:06:47 AM PDT by Terabitten (Breathe. Relax. Aim. Squeeze.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

GOOD WORK!!

1. Nationwide Constitutional Carry.

2. Nationwide Voter ID.

3. Eliminate early Voting.

4. Provide proof of Disability to receive an Absentee Ballot.

5. Eliminate Illegal Invader Driver’s Licenses.

6. Eliminate Motor Voter.

7. Build the Wall.

THAT’S THE AGENDA - ALL THAT’S NEEDED - PURE AND SIMPLE!


30 posted on 09/08/2019 10:11:49 AM PDT by ldish (Have had enough...you??????)
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To: precisionshootist

Call them ignorant when it benefits, let them be ignorant when it benefits.

Maybe it would play well to tell them that there are already background checks. But only they have thoroughly invested in the requirement and beyond the point and have wasted time resources and political capital. We need to play dirty and exploit their weaknesses and ignorance. This is how we will win.


31 posted on 09/08/2019 10:18:53 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Terabitten
“ Universal background checks, but with *NO* records kept whatsoever.”

And you would believe this? They are illegally keeping records as we speak.

Folks let me explain something. We are dealing with a bully and you don’t play games with bullies. You bloody their nose.

32 posted on 09/08/2019 10:23:29 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: dhs12345
" Call them ignorant when it benefits, let them be ignorant when it benefits. Maybe it would play well to tell them that there are already background checks. But only they have thoroughly invested in the requirement and beyond the point and have wasted time resources and political capital. We need to play dirty and exploit their weaknesses and ignorance. This is how we will win. "

Sorry to sound harsh but I don't know how to say this nicely. You are the one who is ignorant here not our enemy. Yes we have NICS background checks and yes the left knows this but that is not what they are talking about. They are talking about forcing a background check and filling out a form like a 4473 on all PRIVATE firearms sales and it will be a felony offense to not comply. What this does in time is create a federal registry of EVERY firearm in the united states. Stop suggesting we play games with people who are far far better at these games than we will ever be. It's the nature of evil to deceive. We need to call them out as the evil tyrants that they are and enforce our natural law. Our god given rights are not up for negotiation.

33 posted on 09/08/2019 10:33:50 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: dhs12345
Let me clarify a little more. The background check they are talking about will be on ALL firearms transfers, not just sales. There will be a form to be filled out. That is what creates the registry and record these tyrants want so badly.

At this time, the only point where a record of possession of a firearm is created is when you purchase or take possession of a firearm from a FFL licensee. In time many many firearms change hands privately and there is no record of those transfers so there is no way for the government to know where all the AR15s and such are and who has them. The "background" check is what will give the leftist tyrants the complete registry they so desire. With the new "background" check you will need to have an FFL run the NICS check and FILL OUT A 4473 anytime you transfer a firearm even if you have owned that firearms for decades and it was passed to you from your grandfather. This will now create a record of who has that firearm and where it's located. It will be a serious, go to jail for years, felony offense not to comply so don't think you will just find someone and sell or buy under the table as that person may well be one of a quarter of a million federal agents and you will go to prison.

Again, we collectively and this includes the President need to STOP playing games with the left. We need to stop them head on.

34 posted on 09/08/2019 10:48:44 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: rktman

I have a better plan, Wayne.

1) Never bargain with the 2A.

2) Win healthy MAGA majorities in Congress.

3) Then ram a National Voter ID law down the enemy’s throat.

....for starters.


35 posted on 09/08/2019 10:51:46 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: VOR78

Best there be no “2A restriction[s]!.

A federal Constitutional Carry law is the only legislation needed!

We have enough laws! If they were enforced!


36 posted on 09/08/2019 11:08:25 AM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: precisionshootist

But why not play the game and claim that we already have background checks. People ignorant of the laws and don’t know the difference and it will be worth the points to show the ignorance of 99% of the politicians who also don’t know the difference. Then lead into the argument that background checks would NOT have stopped any of the mass murders and that they are fools and are being lied to. Once they have lied claim that they cannot be believed. Then have it televised and propagate across the internet. The whole gun control meme is 100% emotions and no logic. Use their emotions against them. This is their Achilles heel.


37 posted on 09/08/2019 11:24:07 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Taxman

I agree, there’s no need for any more restrictions and, in fact, I’m strictly against doing so. My point isn’t that there should be any actual compromise, but rather that you can use the mere suggestion of one as a means to prove the Dems as hypocrites on the issue and shut the issue down.


38 posted on 09/08/2019 11:32:11 AM PDT by VOR78
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To: semaj

You can always say you sold them. For now.


39 posted on 09/08/2019 11:50:51 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: precisionshootist

I don’t think he’s serious - it’s just a way of exposing liberal hypocrisy.

It’s like saying “You give up abortion and I’ll give up capital punishment”

It’s not a real offer, it’s just a way of pointing out that liberals are unprincipled hypocrites and operate under double standards.


40 posted on 09/08/2019 12:01:19 PM PDT by enumerated
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