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Seoul, Washington fail to agree on cost of Maintaining U.S. troops in South Korea; U.S. 'not focused on' $5 billion demand: No Deal Throws Future of US Presence Into Doubt
Reuters ^ | 12/19/2019 | Josh Smith

Posted on 12/19/2019 1:55:39 PM PST by SeekAndFind

South Korea and the United States failed on Wednesday to agree on Seoul’s contribution toward hosting some 28,500 U.S. troops, but the U.S. side hinted after the two days of talks ended that it will no longer stick to its $5 billion demand.

No deal by Dec. 31, when the current agreement expires, may result in a repeat of last year when the two countries missed a year-end deadline but reached a retroactive deal in the new year. The two sides next meet in January in the United States.

U.S. President Donald Trump has accused South Korea of being a rich nation that is profiting off the U.S. military forces, which are stationed in the country as a legacy of the 1950-1953 Korean War and continued threats from North Korea.

South Korean lawmakers have said Washington is seeking up to $5 billion a year to support the troops - more than five times the amount Seoul agreed to pay this year.

But the United States’ chief negotiator James DeHart told reporters after Wednesday’s meeting that “($5 billion) is not a number we are currently focused on in the negotiations ... when we reach an agreement, we will be in a position to explain that number and how we got there.”

“We have been listening, we have been adjusting and we have been compromising, and we know that agreement ... when we reach the agreement, the figure will be different from our initial proposal and probably different from what we’ve heard from the Korean side so far,” he added.

Some U.S. and Korean experts say no deal could throw the future of the U.S. presence in South Korea into doubt.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: southkorea; troops
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1 posted on 12/19/2019 1:55:39 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I am not opposed to unilateral withdraw and repeal of any treaties.


2 posted on 12/19/2019 1:57:29 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I think South Korea has the means and capability to defend herself. It’s time she learns to do that.


3 posted on 12/19/2019 1:59:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

South Korea is far wealthier today than they were 20 years ago..or even 10 years ago.They should be able to pony up a fair chunk of change to help pay for our protection.


4 posted on 12/19/2019 2:00:07 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: Gay State Conservative

RE: They should be able to pony up a fair chunk of change to help pay for our protection.

THEIR protection. Not ours.


5 posted on 12/19/2019 2:00:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind
So South Korea is balking about paying a 5 billion dollars
to help support America's defense effort for
their country. I say we pack up and leave them to
the "Fat Boy" Kim Jung Un and his weird deranged military.
I think 5 billion is rather small amount
to pay considering the alternative.
6 posted on 12/19/2019 2:01:36 PM PST by StormEye
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To: SeekAndFind

Yikes! Sometimes I wish the FR had an “edit” function Without it two fingered typists like me are often misunderstood.


7 posted on 12/19/2019 2:03:32 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: SeekAndFind
U.S. 'not focused on' $5 billion demand: No Deal Throws Future of US Presence Into Doubt

About time we moved out and they picked up their own end of the rope. I was there in the early 60's. I had friends getting their a$$e$ "Frozen at Chosen" in the 50's. Bring 'em home.

8 posted on 12/19/2019 2:04:33 PM PST by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The pricks had enough money to buy Bobcat and move a bunch of it over there.

They also recently spent a few billion and bought Schwanns Foods here in Minnesota.

Let the little jabbering ____ defend themselves.

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2018/11/15/south-korean-company-buys-schwans-in-1-8-billion.html


9 posted on 12/19/2019 2:06:26 PM PST by shelterguy
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To: StormEye

If my math is right that’s about $180k per soldier/airman. Our troops lives are worth it.


10 posted on 12/19/2019 2:07:01 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Time to go - the modernized ROK armed forces can defend itself...

the new Camp Humphreys was a waste of money....


11 posted on 12/19/2019 2:08:15 PM PST by sheehan (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS.)
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To: sheehan

How much should we charge the Saudis?


12 posted on 12/19/2019 2:17:18 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: StormEye
So South Korea is balking about paying a 5 billion dollars to help support America's defense effort for their country. I say we pack up and leave them to the "Fat Boy" Kim Jung Un and his weird deranged military. I think 5 billion is rather small amount to pay considering the alternative.

Partner, let S.K. pay there fair share for defending them.

It is about time since they have one of the best economies over there.

13 posted on 12/19/2019 2:36:43 PM PST by TheConservativeTejano (God Bless Texas...)
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To: SeekAndFind
After we've built them up with our intellectual and financial capital, as their nationals flood our country with anchor babies, as we've protected them for generations, the South Koreans display their gratitude to the USA by kowtowing in Beijing for a more lucrative deal for their corrupt chaebols:

Moon, Xi to hold summit in Beijing on Dec. 23

While they're busy cozying up to the dictators to their North, we would do better to outsource their protection to our loyal allies in Japan before the South Koreans reunify with PyongYang and China.

You can get a taste of Korean sentiment towards us in the following editorial:

Should China replace US as S. Korea's key ally?

14 posted on 12/19/2019 2:45:54 PM PST by jonatron (Land of the Free, Home of the Brave)
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CONSIDER THIS STUDY:

https://brill.com/view/journals/aas/15/2-3/article-p242_6.xml?lang=en

South Korean Attitude towards China: Threat Perception, Economic Interest, and National Identity

SUMMARY:

In the context of growing tensions in East Asia over territorial disputes and history issues, one can observe the rise of anti-Chinese sentiments among South Koreans in the early 2010s although many South Koreans had positive views on China a decade earlier. What affects South Korean attitude toward China? Despite China’s significance to South Korea, there have been surprisingly few scholarly works attempting to answer this question.

Based on an empirical analysis of survey data, this paper finds that Koreans’ favorable attitude towards China is negatively affected by threat perception of China’s military buildup, opposition to an fta with China, and exclusive national identity but not by whether or not one feels threatened by the American unilateralism and Japan’s remilitarization. This finding suggests that South Koreans’ feeling toward China is primarily affected by bilateral relationship rather than by balancing behaviors in consideration of broader security environments.


15 posted on 12/19/2019 2:52:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: sheehan
the new Camp Humphreys was a waste of money....

South Korea paid for that.

16 posted on 12/19/2019 2:55:09 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Gay State Conservative
Yikes! Sometimes I wish the FR had an “edit” function Without it two fingered typists like me are often misunderstood.

I agree, so long as no one has responded to the post in question and maybe within a period of time, say 5-10 minutes.

17 posted on 12/19/2019 2:55:55 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: jonatron
Should China replace US as S. Korea's key ally?

Since the U.S. does not want to be the key ally then what other choice does South Korea have?

18 posted on 12/19/2019 2:57:18 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind
Every cent of that 5 billion would go back into the SK economy so I do not see what the deal is. If we leave, there economy is going to take a big hit.

They should be paying 100% of the cost.

19 posted on 12/19/2019 2:59:50 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: SeekAndFind

Earlier this year the U.S. and South Korea agreed to $1 billion per year. Now Trump wants $5 billion per year. Next year will it be $10 billion? If the U.S. is there only if South Korea meets the financial demands then might as well cut the ties now and go looking for other partners.


20 posted on 12/19/2019 3:01:32 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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