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'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown
AFP ^ | Issued on: 24/01/2020 - 11:40 Modified: 24/01/2020 - 11:39 | Agence France-Presse

Posted on 01/24/2020 9:51:30 AM PST by Zhang Fei

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To: Black Agnes
hopefully they’re vastly underreporting the recovered...

I presume they have not even started to look for subclinical cases or asymptomatic infections. The numerator is close to real, the denominator almost certainly not.

101 posted on 01/24/2020 2:50:18 PM PST by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: steve86

Surgical masks are fine for droplets.

N95 or PAPRs are for airborne.


102 posted on 01/24/2020 2:51:31 PM PST by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: heylady
Let’s hope the businesses care for the safety their employees.

If cancellations occur it'll likely be at the behest and for the safety of their legal departments.

Hope it works out well for your son.

103 posted on 01/24/2020 3:10:41 PM PST by tomkat
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To: Zhang Fei

“Debating if I need to start prepping in case this virus goes full blown.”

We had a few relatives in the midwest and eastern states ask us since we live in the land of disasters, aka California, with year round disasters:. Fires,earthquakes, floods and ????.

What type of preparations should they think about. So we put this together yesterday as a semi joke. We got thank you’s back from many relatives and friends some good suggestions. Which we added.

With the modern curse of next day delivery of food, water, medicine and other necessary items, There are no basic inventories past a couple of days before outages.

My wife has 40 plus years of being an RN, and I can spell MBA.

Here is our modest prep plan for even Californians:

What, would happen if your community was basically shut down for 2-4 weeks due to a quarantine.

No one could leave or get into your community for 2-4 weeks.

What you and your family eat and drink

When would you have power failures and maybe natural gas shutoffs. Cooking might be impossible without power. Keeping food fresh and edible in refrigerators and freezers becomes a 24/7 challenge.

Living in California, besides our grab/go bags, we keep enough water and food for 2-3 weeks. Also, food that doesn’t have to be refrigerated or frozen.

Food that is in our combo refrig/freezer lasts for 2-4 days to a week if we get in and out quickly. The freezer on the bottom has frozen bottles of water on the top shelves. Food is still edible after a few days.

Our standing freezer with frozen water bottles on top inside shelf, has kept food frozen for 5-7 days with the get in and out quick action.

So, you eat your refrig food first, your freezer food next and then your non refrig/freezer food.

If this thing goes full viral, you need to have 2-4 weeks of food and water handy.

You, also, need to have 2-4 weeks of your important Rx medicines and that minimum for your daily otc meds. The same goes for tooth paste and similar items.

Keep at least a half tank of gasoline in your vehicles. Good luck with any solar vehicle that has to have its batteries charged to get out of your driveway.

Home and self defense needs to be considered.


104 posted on 01/24/2020 3:27:45 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Impeachment is all that you have left when you lose every argument. Life's losers love impeachment!)
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To: Bob434

Children died like flies during a series of diptheria pandemics that spread from city to city and then back again across America and Europe from the 1870s to the early 1900s.

In the early 1900s, for example, every one of my grandfather’s siblings died (3 of them) but he lived. His parents had 2 more children after that.

Diphtheria was especially deadly for children under the age of 10.

There was no treatment or cure until a serum was discovered in Berlin in 1894 by Dr. Emil von Behring. The same doctor then discovered a vaccine for the disease in 1913, effectively putting an end to it.


105 posted on 01/24/2020 3:30:12 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: rlmorel
I stopped watching or reading anything from the media decades ago...

LOL

You were involved with 'Nam?

I've only gazed upon the MSM's works since '65 or so to catch a clue on their next scam. Otherwise, they're an Absolute Negative Barometer:

Whatever they say is BS or designed to do you harm.

(Some I've heard hold that the US media is responsible for more RVN/US MIL casualties than the VC, North VN, China and Red damn Army combined....and for civilian casualties in SEA there is no contest at all.)

YMMV

106 posted on 01/24/2020 3:32:07 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (Never quit anything in my life, ain't going to start quitting now. WWG1WGA)
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To: Grampa Dave
Good luck with any solar vehicle that has to have its batteries charged

You mean ekectric? You gave away the solution. Solar panels will (slowly) charge an electric vehicle. You can't drill for oil and refine gasoline at home. Also your freezer can rather easily be run from solar and batteries. It won't be cheap, you'll need about $500 worth of batteries. The panels probably about the same $ but they last much longer than the batteries.

107 posted on 01/24/2020 3:36:46 PM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: Zhang Fei

If you’re scared, be sure to read Michael Fumento. He’s a kind of reverse boy-who-cried-wolf. He’s going to put us to sleep and put us to sleep until the big one does come along and devastates the place.


108 posted on 01/24/2020 3:44:47 PM PST by firebrand
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To: heylady

Businesses won’t put their employees at risk in situations like this. Doing so only jeopardizes their business as well. The alarm bell has rang. Just need to give this a week to see where it goes.


109 posted on 01/24/2020 3:45:16 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Dr Ken Berry agrees with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA5AbqlCHuc


110 posted on 01/24/2020 3:52:16 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Damn the Torpedoes! Full Speed Ahead!)
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To: Zhang Fei
The possibility of mutinies resulting in all-out revolution is always a risk when troops are deployed against civilians. Both of these incidents occurred in Wuhan

Hope springs eternal. The silver lining of this tragic cloud is the the "Wuhan SARS" of 2020 brings down the regime of "Emperor Eleven." (Xi Jinping)

111 posted on 01/24/2020 3:52:40 PM PST by CDB
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To: little jeremiah
it was not unusual for people to die within 2 days of symptoms

My grandmother told us, about her first husband, he had a sore throat and two days later he was dead.

112 posted on 01/24/2020 3:56:48 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

The H1N1 flu in 2009 was vicious, I got it and was extremely sick for 2 weeks. Got into kidneys, lungs filled up with fluid.


113 posted on 01/24/2020 4:20:53 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Whenifhow; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; ...

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114 posted on 01/24/2020 4:24:22 PM PST by bitt (A government afraid of its citizens should be afraid.)
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To: cornfedcowboy
Businesses won’t put their employees at risk in situations like this. Doing so only jeopardizes their business as well. The alarm bell has rang. Just need to give this a week to see where it goes.

I know someone who got an email notice from their company today telling employees they must not travel to China right now. Not being at liberty to share details, can only say the company is in the healthcare field and the employees frequent healthcare establishments.

115 posted on 01/24/2020 4:49:22 PM PST by 444Flyer (John 3 Revelation 20 Joshua 24:15 Pick a side..)
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To: PIF
2019-ncov vaccine is 2 years out according to reports

From CDC--But perhaps the biggest challenge is the time required to manufacture a new vaccine against an emerging pandemic threat. Generally, it has taken about 20 weeks to select and manufacture a new vaccine

. During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the first doses of pandemic vaccine did not become available until 26 weeks after the decision to manufacture a monovalent vaccine.

116 posted on 01/24/2020 4:54:59 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: WashingtonSource

yeah it was pretty bad- we have a number of really old cemeteries around us and it’s stunning looking at how many kids didn’t make it past say 15- and how many folks died during certain years-


117 posted on 01/24/2020 9:04:49 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
No...I wasn't. My dad was a Navy officer WWII/Korea/Vietnam, and we lived overseas in Subic and Yokosuka between 1967 and 1971.

I think I had my awakening to what scumbags the Left was at an early age...the whole peace movement, and what they were saying about men like my dad and my friends dads...it really pissed me off. And the media was driving it even then.

It wasn't until some decades later I realized what a piece of crap Walter Cronkite was...watching the video by Charlton Heston of the Media's treatment of the Tet Offensive really turned the worm for me. The media's (and our country's) treatment of our military and Veterans enraged me, but I will always...always be grateful to Ronald Reagan for making military service an honorable thing. I was still serving when "No Dogs or Sailors on the grass" was still a typical mentality.

I stopped regularly watching the news around the time of Watergate, and by the early Nineties, I dropped off the cliff. By the end of that decade, I stopped watching television altogether. I think the last series I watched on television was ER.

I cannot even stomach television now. Just walking by one that is on nearly makes my blood pressure spike and fills me with disgust. Sigh. I view people who watch it as total morons.

I watch and rent movies on the screen now, and I have been going further and back, plumbing the depths of old movies now. Most of the crap coming out of Hollywood now is pathetic, though they do have one now and again that isn't bad. I thought they did a good job with "Midway".

I presume by your screen name you served back then-

Thank you, and Welcome Home, FRiend.

118 posted on 01/24/2020 9:31:04 PM PST by rlmorel (Finding middle ground with tyranny or evil makes you either a tyrant or evil. Often both.)
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To: Capt. Tom

I did say “according to reports” - add this: they came from the CDC and are found somewhere in a thread about the virus


119 posted on 01/25/2020 2:53:10 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
Tilted Irish Kilt, Thank you for keeping us updated on this epidemic. I especially appreciate you highlighting critical and actionable posts like you did in this tread with your posts #56 and #64.
120 posted on 01/25/2020 9:55:21 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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