Donald Trump says he is ‘no longer’ taking controversial drug Hydroxychloroquine to ward off Coronavirus

The Sun ^ | 05/25/2020 | Mollie Mansfield

[SaxxonWoods]

Taking time off from your desperate attempt to remain infallible? Thanks for last night and this morning, the most hysterical time on the Q thread ever!

[Steve_Seattle]

"In his interview with that chick (forget her name, Attkinson?), he said it was a two week program."

I've heard 5-6 days for people who already have the virus, but maybe its a longer regimen as a prophylactic.

[Steve_Seattle]

"I found it interesting that when you read about how HCQ works that it was very believable the principle involved."

I'm not a scientist or a doctor, but I've also heard explanations of how it works and I agree that the explanations made a lot of sense. That's not proof that it works, but it is an indication that the idea of trying it is not crazy or reckless or dangerous, as the left has tried to claim.

[DoodleDawg]

Just for our edification -- how long must one be taking the Hydroxychloroquine/Zinc combo when one is taking it for prophylaxis?

It appears that Trump took it for two weeks following possible exposure to Covid through his valet. The two week period seems to be the magic number for whether or not you'll get it.

[rolling_stone]

methinks he was taking it 2 weeks-t 14 days length of usual contagiousness from his valet and others in wh who had corona

[silverleaf]

An initial dose, then weekly

Trumps short course suggests he took it as a preventive treatment ( about 7 day course) after being exposed to a symptomatic person ( WH staffer)

[Dave Wright]

If the doctor he talked to was Dr. Zelenko then he would have been told that the active agent is actually the zinc that is taken with HCQ. HCQ merely opens a neutral channel through the cell walls that allows the positive ion zinc to get into the cells and boost the immune system.

Zinc is a well know supplement that improves the immune system but is hard to absorb into cells. That’s why many people take it in a chelated form like zinc picolinate. This works like HCQ to allow better absorption. Future studies will also show that more zinc in the diet is also responsible for the lower infection rates in countries like Japan and Korea where shellfish and mushrooms are staples.

[silverleaf]

This is one of a series of online medical lectures that explains the synergy between hydroxychloroquine and zinc, and other zinc ionophores such as quercetin

Discusses the treatment protocols of 3 different providers

He has other lectures about the efficacy of Vit C and D

https://youtu.be/W9YFXo84lCk

44 minutes = makes you smarter than 99% of the US media

[upchuck]

After President Trump announced he was taking HCQ, the liberal heads started exploding. Neil Cavuto said, “This drug will kill you.” That’s an exact quote, sorry I don’t have a link.

I notice President Trump is very much still alive and kicking. Hello Neil?

[bagster]

Taking time off from your desperate attempt to remain infallible?

In order to remain infallible, I must first be infallible.

It is good that you recognize truth, finally.

Now do as I tell you, slowbie.

Signed,

Bagster the Infallible

[Hostage]

From Dr. Zelenko interview by Rabbi Katzin (Time 14:30):
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/part-i-cure-for-covid-19-dr-zelenko-039-s-walk-towards-god_WgBORTE5aK2tbV6.html

For prophylaxis (based on malaria prophylaxis):

Loading dose for one week:
200 mg HCQ, 1 pill a day for 5 days
225 mg Zinc Sulphate*, 1 pill a day for 5 days

Maintenance:
200 mg HCQ, 1 pill a week indefinitely
225 mg Zinc Sulphate*, 1 pill a week indefinitely

* I substitute Zinc Picolinate, organic, better absorbed.

[Hostage]

It was Dr. Zelenko.

Good point about Zinc Picolinate.

Zinc Sulphate is good too, but Picolinate is better.

[SaxxonWoods]

“Bagster the Infallible”

Knew you couldn’t resist, love it.

[bagster]

Knew you couldn’t resist, love it.

No you don't. You hate that you accidently called me infallible.

You forget, I read minds too.

When will you learn, simple child.

[Nifster]

He took it because he might have been exposed (some aide and valet tested positive). Since those people have now sheltered in place he isn’t exposed to them any more

Two weeks is sufficient in this case

[Crucial]

Exactly. How is a 70 year old malaria drug that has saved hundreds of thousands of lives controversial. I guess liberals are just that stupid.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I've spent, really, untold hours googling around preprint docs, research and medical reporting on HCQ. My best guess on any question about using HCQ for COVID-19 (prophylaxis or treatment) in short, I will give for free, and worth every penny.

And I am not a clinician, researcher or molecular biologist. And I am not prescribing, recommending, making claims, etc. You know the drill.

That said, here's what it looks like to me. COVID-19 usually has, by one schema, 8 stages, consisting of:

• exposed/infected (but asymptomatic)-->
• mild URVI (flu-like symptoms) -->
• moderate URVI (quite sick, difficulty breathing, at some point in this stage is where people usually get hospitalized)-->

  THEN...

• ARDS -->
• cytokine storm -->
• sepsis -->
• septic shock -->
• multiple organ failure and death.

More or less.

HCQ/Zn has by far its greatest success in stages 1, 2, maybe 3, but by all means outpatient, and the earlier the better. It is to be used prevent hospitalization and clear symptoms and detectable virus usu. in 6 days.

This is complicated by the fact that virtually all the research is on patients already hospitalized, which means they are probably already past the stage where HCQ/Zn can make a big positive difference for them.

This is complicated also by the fact that most people under age 60 only get to stages 1 or 2 and then recover on their own. So did HCQ/Zn help them or not?

Here's what Zelenko successfully does on the basis of his own experience. He sees patients on an outpatient basis in the earliest stages and divides them in two groups: low-risk and high-risk.

He doesn't do anything for the early-stage-low-risks at all: if they're young and (previously) healthy, he assumes they're getting better on their own (unless they come back in a day or two and say, doc, it's getting worse.)

He treats the early-stage-high-risks aggressively and a.s.a.p with the HCQ/Zn/Azith, and this is where he's arguably having lots of success, preventing lots of hospitalizations and saving lots of lives.

Zelenko said the idea behind his approach is to treat the spread of the virus in the body before it damages the lungs beyond repair. Once the lungs of a Covid-19 patient exhibit ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome), according to WHO, the patient’s likelihood of death is about 50%, according to early estimates.

So he doesn't treat people who are already hospitalized. If they're there, they're already out of his hands as a Family Practitioner, and quite possibly past the stage where HCQ can help them.

PROPHYLAXIS

This is what was described to me as the prophylactic dosage for health workers and people in the same household with a COVID-19 positive family member:

• loading dose of 400 mg Plaquenil total, in two doses, taken with food
  • plus any standard, OTC, low-dose ZN supplement

• over the next 5 days (Day 2, 3, 4, 5, 6): 200 mg Plaquenil total, in one dose, daily, taken with food.
  • plus any standard, OTC, low-dose ZN supplement

• over the next two months: 200 mg Plaquenil, taken in one dose, every week.
  • plus keep taking the low-dose zinc daily. Preferably by pill or lozenge, not nasal spray.

HCQ has quite a long half-life, so after the loading dose it will subside slowly; the maintenance dose will keep it up to effective levels.

In contrast, Zn is water-soluble, is not stored by the body, and has to be regularly replenished. However, it is needed only in minuscule amounts. Don't bother taking large doses, it's just upset your stomach and then will be uselessly excreted. If you don't have any particular absorption problems, and you eat ordinary amounts of meat, fish and especially shellfish, it's not likely you'd need any supplementation at all. If you want, 25-50 mg/day should do you fine.

No guarantees. That's what I heard. That's it.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Plus this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3848402/posts?page=2#2

[WildHighlander57]

Philip Marlowe wrote:

“And because if there is a preventative treatment that is not a vaccine, that would provide a sound, valid argument for those who do not want to take part in Bill Gates’ global vaccination program to resist him and his fellow-traveling NWO-ers.”

Exactly!