Posted on 06/05/2020 4:23:44 AM PDT by blueplum
Manuel Ellis, 33, yelled 'I can't breathe' as Tacoma Police Department officers restrained him on the ground while he was handcuffed on March 3...
...Two cops claim Ellis repeated banged on their patrol car so they called back up Officers claim Ellis slammed one of them to the ground so they restrained him Ellis was living at a clean-and-sober home, his good friend said at a vigil Contributing factors to the death included methamphetamine intoxication and dilated cardiomyopathy, commonly known as an enlarged heart
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Hmm. In Mpls. it was 2 white cops, a black and an asian. Sounds like some sort of conspiracy theory killing squad.
“Ok - so will have the cops be a mix of races, so when they kill them they won’t figure out it is a racial hit.”
The five murdered cops can’t breath either. 22 Officers killed by gunfire this year so far. It looks like the meth heads are winning the battle.
Now that you bring up the issue....and after much thought from this Floyd case....I think there should be some level of restraint so long as the perp is not a threat to anybody.
Hear me out.
Floyd was probably drunk, probably high....I don’t doubt that. But what was he doing? Passing a counterfeit twenty dollar bill?
Was it really necessary for four cops to jump on this guy, eventually, let’s tell it like it is....killing the guy?
Once the police realized that the guy was almost uncontrollable why didn’t they write up some kind of ticket, walk away, and leave him be?
Was it really a good idea for four cops to jump on him and let’s face it...kill him?
Anyway, a way to handle these sorts of situations should be discussed by police departments across the fruity plains.
Floyd wasn’t out on the street raging. He was in a car about to drive off.
For four cops to jump on a non-violent perp was a bit much and a good discussion in police departments might be a good idea.
"Diversity is our strength"?
Cops are often fought with by perps resisting arrest. Seems as if they’ve adopted a “best defense is a good offense” strategy, i.e., taking a perp down hard.
In the Floyd case, strategy gone so far wrong it’s criminal
Thanks for your input.
And let me state again, I have very little knowledge of police procedure (although I was once married to a cop)...but I think about it with common sense.
Once they pulled Floyd out of that car and he started fighting (yeah, I believe he was very high and drunk and didn’t know what the hell he was doing), couldn’t those cops just have stepped back and let him go with a warning they will be coming after him later, write up some kind of “ticket” or some such....then they all walk away.
There’s got to be a better way to handle a situation like this.
Now if Floyd, or any other perp, was being pulled in for an offense that was a danger to other people, then by all means do what it takes to get the guy in custody.
But for passing a counterfeit $20 bill?
The problem is not the police. The problem is totally black criminals resisting resisting arrest. There have been lots of riots over blacks who die resisting arrest. There has never been a riot over any other resister dying.
Except what you wrote has almost nothing to do with what really happened.
There is plenty of video to prove it.
There is video of George getting arrested and put in cuffs (he resists, but is not harmed).
There is video of George and officers struggling to get him inside the police car.
There is a picture of George being held down by three officers on the side of the car.
For example, we know the police called an ambulance after George collapsed when they pulled him from the police car. It has been reported they checked for a pulse, but I have not confirmed it in official reports. The exact timeline is unclear. It has been reported the ambulance arrived in six minutes, but that doesn't appear to be correct. I suspect it is more like nine minutes. The code was changed from a code 2 to a code 3 (life threatening, as I understand, at some point. I have not found the time of dispatch on this incident report, which was written by someone who arrived after Floyd had left in the ambulance.
FDIDStateCompleteNarrativeMMDDYYYYStationIncident NumberExposureIncident Date*****2721820-001819700017 MN2520205E17 was started code-two to assist EMS on a call, then updated to code-three. Pre-arrival info stated only that pt had trauma to his mouth. E17 arrived at Cup Foods (38th & Chicago) with multiple squads on scene and small crowd of citizens. As 17s attempted to locate the patient, the crew overheard and was told by several people that the police 'had killed the man.' Bystanders were upset but not unruly. No clear info on pt or location was given by either initial pd officers or bystanders. Crew finally located an officer inside the store who stated HCMC medics had loaded the patient and relocated from the scene. E17 encountered an off-duty firefighter who had witnessed the end of the struggle and witnessed the pt go from struggling to unresponsive on the ground while handcuffed and subdued by PD. Dispatch notified E17 that medics needed Fire code-three, and E17 relocated to 36th & Park Ave.
In the original uncut video, one police officer answers a bystander, who asks: Why don't you put him in the car? The officer says: we were trying to do that for ten minutes.
It is important to note there are alternative explanations for what happened, exculpatory evidence is being uncovered, and we should follow regular order and due process.
Maybe there is police misconduct here. It seems less clear the more we know about what happened.
Once the police realized that the guy was almost uncontrollable why didn’t they write up some kind of ticket, walk away, and leave him be?
They are not allowed to do so.
He has shown himself to be a danger to himself and others.
The video is very deceptive. I doubt the police killed him. He died because he had abused his body, had a bad heart and circulatory system, and vigorously fought the police inside the police car while high on significant doses of fentanyl and meth.
Once the police realized that the guy was almost uncontrollable why didn’t they write up some kind of ticket, walk away, and leave him be?
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Oh, I don’t know. Maybe because having a 250 lb. 6.5 foot enraged guy wandering around incoherent and high is a danger to society?
Minneapolis taxpayers/voters made the hiring decision on its Mayors, who made the hiring decisions on the Chiefs of Police, who made the hiring and firing decisions on the police officers.
There are some legitimate functions of government. Picking up the garbage, filling the potholes, plowing the snow, teaching the children basic skills and not abusing and murdering the taxpayers are basic governmental functions.
My question is why Democrat run cities inevitably become so dysfunctional that they are unable to perform some and sometimes all of the legitimate functions of government. And how this is, somehow, the fault of people who live 1000 miles away in places where the government that they hired functions adequately.
I’m sure FR’s Concern Trolls will be all over this, joining the Fake News in castigating the police.
Well my point is....and I am just a citizen trying to figure it out no matter the snark you will find on this forum when others don't agree with you....but my point is, MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO SO!!!
But I'm done because I am in the territory where I shall be mocked and derided for daring to try to figure out.
The decision is not yours to make. You blather on and on like a Monday Morning Waterboy (not quarterback, merely a waterboy). Floyd endangered the cops in his drugged out resistance. The cops did not murder him. His decrepit body failed under self induced stress. The fact there was $20 involved is irrelevant.
Elements of Black America have ceased to be Americans and insist in lawlwss un civilized behavior
To bad they couldn’t just tranquilize em.
You may have the last word.
How Dare You.
“Elements of Black America have ceased to be Americans and insist in lawlwss un civilized behavior”
And that is what they are actually “fighting for” not justice or fairness (they can not operate in a just and fair society). They want to be able to do whatever they want. And when they can’t they go on semi-organized rampages.
“I am making an example of you. To send a message out to people everywhere that if you want to hurt another human being, you better make damn sure they’re the same color as you are.” - South Park
Consider the effect on society.
All a criminal has to do to prevent arrest by the police, is to fight them, feign being intoxicated, and they go away!
I would like to see less of a busybody government, less victimless crimes, but it is going to be a hard slog.
I don't know if any of the offices knew Floyd and his record.
He was a violent career criminal who spent half his life in prison.
If they knew this, it might explain why they kept him restrained, and why they did not just leave him go.
True, he had not been caught for the last five years.
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