Posted on 06/19/2020 9:54:05 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
Actually slaves weren’t freed in Indian Country (Oklahoma) until the U.S. entered into treaties with the Five Civilized Tribes in 1866.
In point of fact they were freed January 1, 1863. It wasn't till the Union forces liberated the areas held by the Confederacy that most could take advantage of it.
Northern slaves continued to be held in bondage till the ratification of the 13th amendment, which occurred December 6, 1865.
And Southern slaves in areas that the Union forces held prior to January 1,1863.
What about this idea? The best reparations are normalization and improvement of social conditions and opportunities for individuals. In other words, real quality of life progress for future generations, for blacks, and everyone else in the society.
The problem is, that problems with past “solutions” are either covered up, or outright falsified. If 22 Trillion $ in transfer payments made over the last 60 years have not had the desired effect, why would 14 Trillion or more make any difference? Progressive policy and doctrine have been a disastrous failure, even a negative burden upon blacks in America, so why keep on with this stupidity?
Figure out what the goal is. Is it to lift up future generations, or just to punish perceived racial enemies? Reparations would perhaps benefit some for a while, but the reality of what damage money thrown at a problem will wreak is inevitable. All that will ultimately happen is the enrichment of unscrupulous con men and expansion of corrupt and burdensome bureaucracies.
Reverse the mistakes of the past. End the welfare state, reform and de-federalize education, re affirm the 10th Amendment and get on with real improvement for all! Imagine, a “New Beginning”, a wonderland of Hope and Promise, all mankind could live together is peace and comfort!
Nah, forget it, it would never fly.
I didn't know that. Thanks for informing me.
Freed in theory is not freed in fact. They may have been inspired by the news, but i'm pretty sure they didn't feel free until they actually were free.
And Southern slaves in areas that the Union forces held prior to January 1,1863.
Yup. As Seward said:
"We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free."
As recently as the 1990s (during Clinton administration) a loan officer told me his bank avoided making home mortgage loans within a 1 mile radius of any fried chicken franchise.
Seriously. Fried chicken was racial code for high default rate.
Loans that were financed would have interest rates 3 points higher, regardless of credit score, he said.
Also during this time, Bill Clinton instructed the IRS to focus its random audits on single heads of households with incomes below $25K. These, he said, were more likely to fraudulently claim the EIC (which had more strict rules back then) or have unreported income sources.
Very good (old) article.
Based on the statement below from this 2012 article, the total spent for many decades on various welfare handouts is probably $20 trillion by now.
As a result, the administration projects that “combined federal and state welfare spending will not drop significantly once the economy fully recovers ,”with the annual tab reaching $1 trillion in 2014 and the 10-year total hitting $10.3 trillion — an amount that, Tanner calculates, comes to “$250,000 for every American currently living in poverty, or $1 million for every poor family of four.”
A large part of that $20T has been given to African Americans since the 1960s. There are many African American families who have been on welfare for multiple generations without working at all.
Which brings us to the discussion of so-called “reparations” for contemporary African Americans who never experienced slavery first-hand...
Given the decades of generosity of Western Civilization to contemporary African Americans who far more affluent than “African Africans” yet rudely demand “reparations,” we should flatly decline any such greedy demands and state that they’ve already been more than fully paid via decades of welfare checks. This is your so-called “reparations.” Enough is enough. Grow up.
The standard of living of African-Americans is far better than any African people throughout the world, and certainly far better than “African-Africans.”
After all, African Americans have TV’s, cell-phones, Air-Jordans, cars, free food via welfare, free housing. In an odd twist of perspective, they should be thankful that their ancestors endured slavery so that contemporary African Americans could be born here to reap the benefits of civilized Western Culture and escape the very low standard of living they would otherwise have had in Africa.
Instead they are angry and hateful - and actually quite racist.
Ending of slavery in 1866 in Indian Territory (a number of Indian tribes were slaveholders and sided with the Confederacy):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Treaties
I’m curious if Indians in Oklahoma had black slaves? Did you find that anywhere.
If so, that would be a compelling piece of evidence to add to the fact that Indians had Indian slaves.
For example, Chief Seattle had Indian slaves (see Wikipedia on him), so the Antifa needs to focus now on renaming the City of Seattle.
Have you yet come around to my way of thinking regarding the means by which they ratified the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments?
Wouldn’t go that far. But you are correct in pointing out that the ratification process for those amendments did not follow the Marquis of Queensbury rules (aka Constitution of the United States) to the letter.
+1.
The Cherokee and other tribes had tons of black slaves, it’s still been an issue. The Cherokee Nation took the position for a number of years recently that descendants of slaves could not be citizens or be able to vote. Don’t know if they ended up backing down on that, it was a big stink in the media for quite a while.
One issue is the Bill of Rights does not apply to Indian Tribes, so they can do things that other governments cannot.
This guy writes Captain America. Yes, Cap is woke AF now.
I used to be skeptical of redlining until I saw an old fire insurance map from the early 1900s. They were very detailed, down to showing each house.
In addition to showing the types of construction in different neighborhoods and things like fire hydrant and water tank placement (which would affect fire risks), the map also showed the predominant ethnic makeup of each neighborhood. So that is what they used to do the redlining, at least during that period.
Fair enough.
"We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free."
Until the 13th Amendment was ratified. But millions were freed before then.
Absolutely, but as I've said before, I don't consider a state to be "free" until slavery is actually gone from it.
But yes, the vast majority were freed by Juneteenth.
The author fails to mention that all of this happened south of the Mason-Dixon line. The north was against slavery. The north went to war with the south because of slavery. Why does the author deliberately hide this?
I like it.
People who never owned slaves paying people who never were slaves. It’s a ridiculous money grab.
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