Yep....that's a culturally 'diversified' bunch alright. But lacking much of any female participation.....once again proving they're great with a bullhorn but cowards when it comes to danger.
Posted on 09/21/2020 7:20:49 PM PDT by logician2u
South Dakota photographer Paul Horsted has painstakingly matched photos taken by William Illingsworth,photographer for the 1874 Custer expedition to the Black Hills with modern views. You are immediately struck by the lack of trees in many of the 1874 photos. The difference is that no forest fires were extinguished in the primeval forests and in the last 80 years there have been massive efforts at reforestation. If the California forests have not been managed there arE very prone to fires that leave a denuded landscape.
There are reasons why clear-cutting and even thinning don't solve the problem, and can lead to other. less-visible problems.
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Just, JUST got off the phone with one of my buddies who is still on the fire just north of Yosemite.
That fire is over 280 thousand acres now. He says that at least 80% of the wood they are cutting for fire lines is dead snags-a lot of it over 4 foot in dia.
If I did not have this dam COPD, I would be right up there with them.
The guy I work for is up in Northern CA in near 80% and steeper ground hand cutting/falling. Its his third 21 day stint and they told him the other day to expect to be up there for at least three more months. Some of the timber he is cutting is over 8 ft in Dia.
Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking.
Leave that to the aerial fire-fighters.
Do you have a link to that fire so we can catch up on current progress in fighting it?
Yeah, it depends on elevation and whether you’re on the windward or leeward side of the precip blowing off Erie. Lake effect weather. It might be blue skies and 35 in Cumberland, but 30 and snowing with whiteout conditions in McHenry and Deep Creek Lake. Our house is on the top ridge of which used to be a part of Haystack Mountain before I-68 was cut through. I could start at the lowest elevation on that side of town, and if it was drizzling, I’d drive higher and higher up along the switchbacks until I got in front of our house, and you could literally see the drizzle turning into flurries as you got higher. By the time you peaked the ridge, it would be snow so thick you couldn’t see the lights of town below you. If it was warmer and fog was building, it was like something out of a John Carpenter movie.
Yep I know exactly what you mean....plus the Jet Stream ‘wobbles’ right thru here. The car’s been full of snow enough to work at brushing it off......drive to my sons and not a single flake in sight...they wonder where I’ve been!
On the other hand I’ve driven out to work...10 minutes away, without a single flake and gotten to the top of the hill and it’s like a blizzard! First time that happened I was stunned!
So with the Jet Stream thingy going on too we just never know what we’re going to get.
Yep....that's a culturally 'diversified' bunch alright. But lacking much of any female participation.....once again proving they're great with a bullhorn but cowards when it comes to danger.
Odd that the fires seem not to effect British Columbia to a great extent just North of Washington State.
Repeat after me, “left wing arsonists, and good forest management in British Columbia.”
Ever try Wellersburg Mountain? My mother always swears that it’s got it’s own microclimate. I thought she was exaggerating until I went with her several years ago to meet my sister and her family in Somerset. They live in P’Burgh and we didn’t have the bandwidth to go stay a couple days, so we met at a restaurant off the turnpike for lunch and to exchange gifts. Well, she was right about Wellersburg. It was about 35 and sunny when we left, then we hit the mountain, and it dropped to 30 and snowed like hell all the way down the other side. That’s hillbilly coal country for you. Did you know that Cranesville Swamp in far western Garrett County is one of the few remaining subarctic bogs left over from the last Ice Age in the USA? It sits in a ‘frost pocket’ and has an ecosystem of plants and wildlife known only to exist in far northern climes in Canada. The altitude and geography is such that colder mountain air naturally sinks down into the pocket, and it stays in a tundra-like state most of the year.
If some percentage of the west coast fires was started by arsonists, that should account for the great number of fires as compared to last year and the year before. It doesn't follow, though, that an intentionally-started blaze would consume more acreage than one started by lightning or downed power lines.
It would seem that drought conditions in those states affected probably caused the fires to spread very rapidly, burning dry timber faster than forestry crews could put it out. The intense heat generated by those dry trees may have been the primary reason for fires to spread so fast, but wind could also be a factor. (I'm sure somebody will earn an advanced degree in a few years putting the blame on globull warning, which plays a negligible part in this drama.)
Odd too that the news stories seldom give a hint as to the species of trees consumed in the fires. Pine forests burn relatively fast, hemlock even faster, redwoods seldom more than a burn scar near the base.
H/T Pookie18
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Here is a fact. In NE Wisconsin, the largest death toll from forest fire happened in the history of the world. The thing was caused by farmers/RR men burning brush.
Since that time, not one catastrophic fire has ever happened..AND you can include MN in that since they had experienced fires like that back in the day. Why havnt fires like that happened up there since? BECAUSE WE LOGGED IT in a sensible way...or as they say, we managed the land and created a unique eco system that is advantageous to everyone. They dont “Prescribe” burn ANYTHING up there-EVER!
The forests are managed!
Now do forests fire happen? Yes they do, but since there is access to corporate and private lands, they are limited in size.
If there are fires, they nearly always are started on federal lands that are mismanaged by jackasses who have no know how at all about forest management.
The only people I feel for in the western states are those who have to live with asshole who learn from a “book” and think they know it all. They can take those “Books” and rip the pages out of them, wipe their ..... with the pages and throw the cover away.
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The worst is that they don’t know that they don’t know anything. Or they are true believers in the “natural is better” crap.
Nature wants to kill us.
Boggles my mind how these nimrods spout all this darwinian nonsense and then fail when it comes to understanding that if humans evolved big brains to survive, then we should use them to manipulate nature to survive.
Or if you are biblically minded, hello, tending the earth means managing the eco-system.
Doesn’t matter which way you lean. What we are doing now runs counter to both belief systems. Makes me crazy. /rant
Hey Val..you want to see any fire bugs head explode? You know, the ones who claim the only way to solve this issue is by massive prescribed burns?
Ask them about the wildlife that gets burned up in those burns. I aint talking about the deer-etc. I am talking about the small wildlife that are the prey for the larger predator wildlife, the ones that cant escape burns.
Then ask them about the carbon left about the ground after a burn. How can they explain that they released all that carbon intentionally without any attempt to contain that carbon-after all, they are the experts and all that are they not?
Logging displaces wildlife for short periods of time. That wildlife comes back after, to inhabit a better and more healthy eco system.
They’ll say that to manage a forest eco system, you have to use fire exclusively. Pure BS, and they know it. There are machines now days that can clear brush and grind it up even in slopes up to and beyond 80 per cent. As far as logging goes, whole tree skidding simulates burn.
They wont admit to that because fire is a big business. The machinery owners who are contracted get anywhere from 2 thousand to 4 thousand per day for each machine on site if that machine is used or not. Ten machines? Thats anywhere form 20 thousand to 40 thousand per day. Hand cutters get a healthy sum also, but is a pretty nasty occupation.
But none of that’s true.
Managing the forests is what we’ve always done, until the anti-American communists fabricated their “environmentalist” narrative, much like the one you’re pushing here.
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