Posted on 05/03/2021 7:02:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
And our once-fine military is being wrecked from the inside.
China back against Russia? Last I heard there were a billion screaming Chinamen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIMH50X0F-4
They prob. stole the tech the very next day! Now can they utilize it?
[not incidentally reducing their reliance on Russia, who they may be at war with again soon]
And to above post
Yeah, but China didn’t get much of anywhere against Ivan in the forty years of Sino Soviet border wars. The Soviets, now Russians, haven’t been idle in coming up with countermeasures against Chinese tactics, and they went in for fun things like nuclear land mines which will *definitely* slow down the billion screaming Chinese soldiers.
They didn’t have to, they already had it - they just decided to use their own independently developed product instead.
Yes, I do keep in mind that technology may have changed in that respect. Still, a 20 ton plane on a pitching deck in the North Atlantic seems like chains would be more reliable (especially compared to those straps I saw that had a lot of slack in them)
But yes. I could be an old fossil in this area.
“Indigenous Chinese technology” = stolen US technology
Yeah. Feels like the world is about to get even more interesting.
China sure seems busy on many fronts.
The *disadvantage* of straps is that they do wear faster than chains, but since China cranks out millions of yards of the stuff per year for consumer purposes alone, they don’t care if they have to throw away the straps after, say, 100 uses. This is why you don’t see a commercial flatbed tow truck using synthetic winch cable - yet. But until they wear out, they are lighter, easier to use, easier to inspect, faster to deploy, etc., etc.
Look at loaded flatbed semi trailers driving past you on the freeway these days - with the exception of trailers with things like large earthmoving equipment on them, 80 plus percent of them will have their loads secured with straps, not chains.
No, this is their ‘black box’ style engineering. They are actively trying to avoid copying others’ tech on some of their projects. Their stolen US tech is separate, in the case of the aircraft under discussion.
In a lot of ways, quantity does have a quality of its own.
But that doesn’t always win the day, as the ChiComs outnumbering the American forces 10 to 1 at the Chosin Reservoir found out in November-December of 1950.
Granted, they massacred some unfortunate Army units, but I believe in that fight, two ChiCom divisions were rendered hors de combat for the remainder of the conflict and were dissolved even if they did retain the territory.
I hear you. I have thought about it a bit since I saw that video, but I think there is a difference in lashing a load down once and securing it as a truck or a plane would do with its load, and having to lash and unlash a load multiple times in an hour as would be done with an aircraft cycling in flight ops.
Still, I see your point. It would have been nice to lug some thick rolled up straps around, rather than those chains.
The standard load of chains (it was six) was not too bad, but when you carried around ten or twelve, those things could add up. Never mind the 24 point tie downs, but I recall nobody carried 24 of those at once...I think.
Yes, but the tech level differences were quite a bit wider apart (for the era) than they are now. Should also point out that once the Russians started backing them up and shrinking the tech delta, it became a stalemate. Last I checked, North Korea was still there as a result.
A dozen or so of these tie down straps followed me home when I retired from the Air Force. Best strap I ever found for pulling someone’s pickup out of the ditch on a snowy Michigan winter day. The quality is top rate, no comparison with the crap Harbor Freight sells.
Inherent major flaws? I haven’t seen any video of them landing on a carrier, or even on approach to a field. But we learned the hard way that angle of attack and pilot vision of the deck is important . If the J-15 has to pitch up too far on final, it may have pilot field of view issues, or low speed handling issues. With less capable aircraft yes you can perform carrier ops, but you’re operating with less margin in multiple areas, and that is going to impact ops tempo, pilot and aircraft longevity.
“They look to be a formidable ally ...”
Whatever you’re using should be a triple Federal felony with no sentence reduction.
One of the guys is South African, the other may be a brit. They have an extensive videolog of their travels through China. China is fundamentally no-trust culture. Lying, cheating, thievery and cruelty are woven into their cultural DNA.
Ask and you shall receive. Note that the J-15 is a supermaneuverable-class fighter due to the canard wings.
First J-15 carrier landing, from six years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM6OyyhUoSw
We should not underestimate the resolve of the CCP to compete against the USA in this area. Even if they fail now, they will get better if we become complacent.
Yeah, Harbor Freight isn’t the only place to buy straps. :P
https://www.amazon.com/Smittybilt-CC330-30-Recovery-Strap/dp/B001CF4UXU
30K-lb rated recovery strap, $42.
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