As SCOTUS Takes Up Concealed Carry, Reciprocity’s Time Is Now

The Federalist ^ | May 6, 2021 | Lawrence Keane

[Seruzawa]

WTF thinks this is a slam dunk? The Roberts Court may very well rule against the 2A. You file cases there at your peril.

[Theoria]

[f4bears]

The need is already provided and justified in the second amendment, it is necessary to the security of a free State.

[Amendment10]

Thank you for posting DoodleDawg.

"Individual states recognize other state drivers licenses because they choose to, not because the federal government tells them they must."

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Please clarify your statement about the states having the choice to not recognize out-of-state driver’s licenses in the context of the Constitution’s Article IV, Section 1.

"Article IV, Section 1: Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State [emphasis added]. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."

[rellimpank]

—yep-

-and I have never been able to get a good explanation for this from some great legal mind—

[DoodleDawg]

Please clarify your statement about the states having the choice to not recognize out-of-state driver’s licenses in the context of the Constitution’s Article IV, Section 1.

Nothing to clarify. States are not required to permit prostitutes to ply their trade just because Nevada says they can. Pre-Obergfell states were not required to recognize same-sex marriage licenses from states that allowed same-sex marriage. States recognize drivers licenses because they choose to. Article IV doesn't impact that.

[Dead Corpse]

The whole reciprocity thing is illogical. The 2A is a blanket statement saying that RKBA “shall not be infringed”.

It doesn’t limit this to just the States or the FedGov. It applies, just like the rest of the BoR, to BOTH. As it is clearly stated in the Pre-amble to the BoR.

Idiots tried this before... Which is why we have a 14th Amendment now as well. “Privileges and immunities”. With the 2A being an express limit on government power, and thus an “immunity” to prosecution should any idiot, scum bag, traitorous piece of filth actually pass a “gun law”.

But nope... “muh commerce clause”, an NFA tax, and almost a century of BS being used to restrict what should be a basic human Right.

[edwinland]

Mine too. If only we could eliminate reciprocity for Jersey drivers!

[precisionshootist]

WTF thinks this is a slam dunk? The Roberts Court may very well rule against the 2A. You file cases there at your peril.“

Exactly. We are potentially doing more harm than good. These issues should be handled at the state level.

[rellimpank]

—here’s why your drivers license is good state to state—

https://apps.csg.org/ncic/Compact.aspx?id=56

[ctdonath2]

Seems the “reciprocity” of marriages, driving, etc fails in some cases because they’re not talking about the same thing. The “full faith and credit” applies (or should) where one could get a license but for being out of state. Ex.: same sex marriage, or 14yo driver’s license, isn’t given “full faith and credit” because it’s just not a thing in some states. You CAN (legally, if not practically) get a concealed carry license in any state, however, so having one from one state should apply in all states (at least for weapons legal in both)

[DoodleDawg]

Seems the “reciprocity” of marriages, driving, etc fails in some cases because they’re not talking about the same thing.

Reciprocity fails because states choose not to do it in some cases. Gay marriage pre-Obergfell is one instance. Carry permits is another. Nothing forces a state to accept another state's license or permit or anything.

You CAN (legally, if not practically) get a concealed carry license in any state, however, so having one from one state should apply in all states (at least for weapons legal in both)

So long as the requirements for obtaining that permit varies from state to state then you will always have reciprocity issues. I would rather that continue to be handled at the state level rather than the federal for the reason I stated - if the feds say you have to recognize other states carry permits then what's to stop them from saying what you have to do to qualify for the permit?

[ctdonath2]

The “faith and credit” is trust that means of obtaining the certificates are treated as equivalent, insofar as the actions allowed by certification are the same. I’ve had CCW permits for 3 states, all allowing, well, CCW - the hoops jumped they were different, and “faith & credit” should mean the common goal is achieved without having to re-prove with a different set of hoops. The common goal/result is the key: my pistol already registered as mine by NY (!) should be allowed for my carry even though I’m now a GA resident with a GA carry permit; this obviously would not apply to my AR15 which is flatly illegal in NY.

… that last point gets interesting: my not-NY-legal AR15 is actually NFA registered, so I’m certified to own it not as a GA resident, but as a USA citizen. How, then, does NY get to prohibit my “right to keep…arms” which I own specifically as an American citizen?

[RetiredArmy]

My sheriff’s office provides us a card that gives the states that do for Alabama, and it does not have 40 states on that card.

[Elsie]

Lets see it

[RetiredArmy]

Has 25 states on it. Not 40. Have to run out to pick up wife. Will re reply shortly with the list.